Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 22 Oct 07:18PM Hide picture As you may have heard, Apple have recently released the latest version of their operating system, Mavericks. At this time, Sibelius is not fully supported on the new OS. For compatibility information for Sibelius, Pro Tools and Media Composer, please see the following article: http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/troubleshooting/Mac-OS-10-9-support-for-Media-Composer-Pro-Tools-Sibelius In short, Sibelius 7 and Sibelius 7 First should be OK although the text in dialogs will be slightly different so may not appear correctly. Also, you may find you can't route the audio from Sibelius to a ReWire host, such as Pro Tools. Sibelius 6 seemed to be OK although we didn't fully test it. We expect the same workarounds for registration are needed though along with the same problems with ReWire that Sibelius 7 has too. Sibelius 5 and earlier simply won't run, as on the previous version of Mac OS X. I'll post news as I have it if anything changes. Sam -- Contact Sibelius technical help by email or phone: www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Jared Haschek - 22 Oct 10:35PM Hide picture Hi Sam, thanks for the heads up. I'm interested in your statement "Sibelius 5 and earlier simply won't run, as on the previous version of Mac OS X. I am running Sibelius 5 on Mountain Lion, and the only (!!) issue is that it crashes on playback. If I don't playback, it runs just fine. The publisher I work for (Hal Leonard) requires Sibelius 5, and I needed to buy a new computer that came with Mountain Lion, so fortunately I've got them playing fairly nicely together. So, when you say Sibelius 5 simply won't run, will it not run LESS well than Mountain Lion? Or is it just the same? Thanks heaps Jared Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Piotr Kolodziej - 23 Oct 07:02AM (edited 23 Oct 07:02AM) Hide picture I am using Sib7 and I need a new Mac. Are you going to publish fix for Sibelius 7? -- Piotr Kołodziej PC Win7 (i5, 3.4GHz quad core, 16GB RAM), iMac 0S X 10.7.5 (i3) Finale 2012, 2011-2010 Sibelius 7, 6.2 Photoscore 6, SharpEye2, PDFtoMusic Pro Adobe Creative Suite 6 Font Creator Pro Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 23 Oct 08:18AM Hide picture @Jared: I'd think Sibelius 5 may well just crash during playback. @Piotr: We're considering doing a patch Sibelius 7.1 but are going to balance this with our on-going development of the next version of Sibelius. -- Contact Sibelius technical help by email or phone: www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Howard Ward - 23 Oct 08:20AM Hide picture Am I being rather naive or is this just not good enough? My understanding is that Mavericks has been available for developers for several months and one would have thought that by the time it is released the bugs should be ironed out. I want to upgrade but as Sibelius is an integral part of my livelihood I can't afford the risk! (I must admit that Sam's comment that he will advise " anything changes" doesn't fill me with confidence, either) Or have I missed something? I hope so. Howard -- Sib 7.1.3 Mac Macbook Pro (2012) 2.9 GHz 8 GB Memory 750 GB Hard Drive Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 23 Oct 08:47AM Hide picture Hi Howard, A bit of background: We believe the problem with the font in the dialogs is a bug in Mavericks and not in Sibelius. We (along with several other developers who are experiencing this same problem) reported the bug to Apple a long time before Mavericks was released but Apple didn't get round to fixing it in time. We are hopeful that Apple will fix this in a future update but it's not clear at this time if and when this will happen. We're very busy developing the next version of Sibelius but if we have time (and find Apple don't fix this soon), we'll consider releasing a patch for Sibelius 7.1. As for the issue with ReWire, we're currently investigating this to see if it's a problem with our implementation of ReWire or a bug that Propellerheads will need to address. As soon as I have news on both these issues, I'll let you know. Sam -- Contact Sibelius technical help by email or phone: www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Stephen Taylor - 23 Oct 12:09PM Hide picture Thanks Sam! I'm curious what the font looks like in dialog boxes - if you have the time, would you mind posting a screenshot? Best wishes, Steve Taylor Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 23 Oct 12:38PM Hide picture Here you go. It's not too disastrous but you'll see the font is slightly different, which has shifted things around by a few pixels. Sam -- Contact Sibelius technical help by email or phone: www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html www.sibelius.com/support Attachment Sibelius_7_on_Mavericks_7.1.png (37K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Stephen Taylor - 23 Oct 01:12PM Hide picture Thanks - very interesting! Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Lloyd Parsons - 23 Oct 01:50PM Hide picture Since my useage of Sibelius is very simplistic, I upgraded to Mavericks yesterday before I even thought about it. After running and fiddling around I found that it all seems to work and I actually didn't notice the dialog bug talked about until I read here. Assuming that is the only issue, I'm a happy camper. -- Lloyd MacBook Pro w/Retina Display Mountain OSX Lion 10.8.x Sibelius 7.x Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Heikki M Malmberg - 23 Oct 06:01PM (edited 23 Oct 06:02PM) Hide picture I upgraded to Mavericks today. Everything else seems to work fine with Sibelius 7.1.3, except that moving around the score is really sluggish. It seems that the problem gets worse with more complex scores, but it's noticeable even with simple ones. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Greg Jones - 23 Oct 08:43PM Hide picture I have not downloaded the OSX Mavericks yet, but I think Apple is going to help fix up this font defect. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Greg Sandow - 24 Oct 01:41PM Hide picture This is a real failure on Avid's part. We should all understand that for many people, using Mavericks isn't optional. I'm talking about people who buy new Macs. They come with Mavericks installed! So is it Avid's position that someone buying a computer right now — maybe someone with an old machine that badly needs to be replaced — has to buy a PC, because Avid can't be troubled to make Sibelius work on Mavericks? What about students coming to music school, and buying a new computer, or getting one as a gift for their parents? I teach at Juilliard, and Macs are far more common than PCs. Is Avid telling my students to buy a PC? Or to use Finale? Sam, with all respect, I can't see how you can tell us you're all trying to decide whether to issue an upgrade for Mavericks, or instead wait for the next total Sibelius upgrade. The large upgrade will of course take a longer time than the patch would, and meanwhile — for how many months? — you've exiled many of your current and potential Mac users. Have a heart, and do the patch! And at least tell us one thing. I looked at the graphic of the dialogue box that you uploaded, and thought, "Well, if that's the only change [one line of text breaking at a different point than it does on Mountain Lion], then why shouldn't I upgrade?" Would you confirm that all the menus and dialogues will be just as readable under Mavericks as they currently are, and there would never be a time when we'd lose any text? Or maybe — and I do hope this was true — this was your way of subtly telling us we wouldn't have a problem (at least if we don't use ReWire), even though your bosses say we shouldn't upgrade. Very warm thanks for that, if it's true. I have two Macs, a MacBook Pro and an Air that I use when I'm traveling. I'm going to try putting Mavericks on the MacBook Pro, and see how Sibelius works. I'll always have the Air with me when I'm home, and can switch to that for Sibelius if I have problems with Mavericks. After I've used Sib for a while on the big computer, I'll report here on how it functions. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 24 Oct 02:19PM Hide picture Hi Greg, We're very busy working on the next version of Sibelius and can't easily pull a developer off their current work to do a patch. We don't know how long it'll take to write and test the patch so we've had to balance this with adding new features and fixing other important bugs. Generally, we are finding Sibelius runs very well under Mavericks but the text in the dialogs is using a different font and ReWire isn't working as expected. If you can live with these two issues, there's nothing stopping you upgrading to Mavericks. Sibelius is faring a lot better on Mavericks than previous releases, for instance, Sibelius 6 wouldn't even start up and Sibelius 5 would crash when opening the mixer on 10.6; you couldn't even open and save files with Sibelius 4 on 10.5. As soon as there's news on a patch or fix, I'll be sure to let you know. Sam -- Contact Sibelius technical help by email or phone: www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Bob Zawalich - 24 Oct 04:40PM Hide picture Are there any known issues with Windows 8.1? -- Bob Sib 1.2 - 7, Windows 7 Pro SP 1 64 bit, 4 G RAM. Year 2013. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Greg Sandow - 24 Oct 05:11PM Hide picture Sam, thanks for your quick reply. But with all respect, I'm surprised by what you say, and I think Avid has its priorities backwards. Of course you all could pull a developer off the next major Sib update — or pull the whole development team — if you thought it was important. Or, more to the point — since Avid knew just as well as the rest of us that Mavericks was coming — you all could have said, months ago, "Let's delay work on the major update, and make sure we have a patch ready for Mavericks." The reason for doing that, as I said before, is that with the policy you have now, you've exiled more than a few of your users. You say that I should feel free to upgrade as long as the font issue doesn't bother me, but I still don't know what that means, whether the font business will at some point be a real problem. And Avid's official language on Mavericks is very stern. We don't support this OS, so we recommend that you don't upgrade. How do you think that reads to someone who badly needs a new Mac, and now is ready to buy one? Which will come with Mavericks installed. Avid isn't exactly welcoming these people! And isn't exactly welcoming new users, maybe committed, talented musicians in high school or college, excited to buy a Mac and plunge into work with Sibelius. And what about people who really need ReWire? They're out in the cold. Any of them with a Mac that's stolen, or dies, or is just so old it cries out to be replaced — these people have nowhere to go, if they still want to be using a Mac. Those with working but need-to-be-replaced Macs will have to wait months for the new version. And might not want, or might not be able to afford, an upgrade to Sibelius 8. Companies much smaller than Avid have gotten their software ready for Mavericks. For instance Literature and Latte, who make Scrivener, popular software for writers. They're so small that they have just a single developer working on their upcoming iPad version, and had to delay it when she got sick. But they just issued a Mavericks-ready upgrade. Hard to believe Avid couldn't do this if it wanted to. With respect, but shaking my head, Greg Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Laurence Payne - 24 Oct 05:47PM Hide picture > But with all respect, I'm surprised by what you say, and I think Avid has its priorities backwards. Of course you all could pull a developer off the next major Sib update — or pull the whole development team — if you thought it was important. I'm getting the message that it ISN'T that important - just that a dialogue box may look a bit untidy. The more interesting news is that more than one developer is actually working on the next Version of Sibelius. I hope we can accept that information at face value. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Pierre Funck - 24 Oct 05:53PM Hide picture I completely agree with Greg Sandow. That the CURRENT version of a piece of software ought to be made compatible with the CURRENT OS is a no-brainer for any serious developer. That Avid is even CONSIDERING to altogether jettison the compatibilty of Sib7 with Mavericks is in my opinion quite outrageous... sorry for being so blunt. Pierre Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Philip R - 24 Oct 07:27PM Hide picture The sky is not falling here. Mavericks has been out less than 48 hours. Avid's official warning to not upgrade may be stern, but it is the prudent advice until the issues are resolved. Sam's advice with its caveats should help those deciding whether or not to use Mavericks right away. The font issue is likely related to Qt and can hopefully be fixed in time: https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-32789 http://successfulsoftware.net/2013/10/23/fixing-qt-4-for-mac-os-x-10-9-mavericks/ Each major OS upgrade has compatibility hiccups that are ironed out in time. Even the 10.6.7 update in 2011 caused more severe font problems that were eventually solved a month after its release. A better comparison than Scrivener would be Finale, and you can read here about similar cosmetic defects and the like: http://makemusic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5511/ (And of course, Finale doesn't have ReWire capability at all) -- Sib 7.1.3 Mac 10.6.8 Intel 2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core, 14 GB RAM http://www.nycmusicservices.com/ http://www.sibeliusblog.com/ Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Pierre Funck - 24 Oct 07:46PM (edited 24 Oct 07:47PM) Hide picture Please get me right: It would be perfectly fine if Avid just said: We are aware of the problem and working on a fix. What outrages me is that apparently Avid is considering not to fix the problem in Sib7 and force the Sibelius/Mavericks users to wait and pay for Sib8. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Philip R - 24 Oct 08:37PM Hide picture Sam has said that the font issue may be an Apple problem (although one that could possibly be fixed by Avid), and the ReWire issue may be a Propellerhead problem, and he has said they are investigating. I agree that if a solution to one or both of these issues is not evident in due course from Apple and Propellerhead respectively, Avid should release a free update that addresses these problems. Keep in mind though, that at least in the case of 10.6.7, it took about a month for Apple to correct the problem: http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/sibelius-6-users-beware-of-mac-os-x-10-6-7-update/ > Please get me right: It would be perfectly fine if Avid just said: We are aware of the problem and working on a fix. > > What outrages me is that apparently Avid is considering not to fix the problem in Sib7 and force the Sibelius/Mavericks users to wait and pay for Sib8. -- Sib 7.1.3 Mac 10.6.8 Intel 2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core, 14 GB RAM http://www.nycmusicservices.com/ http://www.sibeliusblog.com/ Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Michael Shapiro - 24 Oct 08:46PM Hide picture From a friend who ran into some sluggishness under Mavericks: * * * "To those experiencing the sluggish running of Sibelius 7 on Mavericks - I have found a workaround/solution: 1) Open Sibelius 2) Put your computer to sleep for a few seconds 3) Wake up computer 4) Enjoy Sibelius running at full speeed. I think THIS is a bigger bug than the "font" issue, which - I don't really care about.  I actually find it's, ironically, more attractive the way it is now!" Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Philip R - 24 Oct 09:21PM Hide picture Michael, Thanks for posting this. I wonder if this is at all related to the App Nap feature that Mavericks has? Could you see if disabling App Nap for Sibelius by clicking the app icon for Sibelius and pressing Command-I (or selecting File > Get Info) and clicking the checkbox "Prevent App Nap" also works? -- Sib 7.1.3 Mac 10.6.8 Intel 2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core, 14 GB RAM http://www.nycmusicservices.com/ http://www.sibeliusblog.com/ Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Richard Vitale - 24 Oct 09:22PM (edited 24 Oct 09:24PM) Hide picture Thx for the reply Sam. Anyone interested in viewing the font difference between Mountain Lion and Mavericks can view the screenshot, it's more useful to see them side-by-side to compare. There is little to worry about there. ====== In all fairness to Sam, in 2011, there was a font issue that was entirely Apple's fault, see here: http://tidbits.com/article/12078 Apple eventually offered a fix: If you are using Mac OS X 10.6.7 or earlier, go to: Apple>Software Update (upper left of your screen) and run System Update to install 10.6.8. Sibelius offered some fixes eventually also: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/en/a552 AND http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/en/a636 I remember getting an email from Product Manager Tom Clarke thanking me when the font issue was found and him being relieved that it wasn't Sibelius causing the issue. It was an Apple problem and took months to rectify on Sibelius and the Apple side after the release of OS 10.6.7. ====== I also am upset at Avid's firing of Daniel Spreadbury and his team, but if Sam says: "We're very busy developing the next version of Sibelius but if we have time (and find Apple don't fix this soon), we'll consider releasing a patch for Sibelius 7.1." and . . . "We're very busy working on the next version of Sibelius and can't easily pull a developer off their current work to do a patch." . . . I'll take that at face value and realize he's working short-handed and doing the best he can and not blame him for Avid's shortcomings. I think those using Rewire should not upgrade for now as Sibelius site says: "Unable to use Sibelius as a ReWire device with Mac OS X 10.9. Although it may be possible to start Sibelius as a ReWire device in Pro Tools and other applications, Sibelius is unable to send the audio to the ReWire host. Sib-522." Lloyd (a light user) said he had no issues with Mavericks and Sibelius and Heikki said that "moving around the score is really sluggish" so if I upgrade I'll report back, and eventually we Mac users will have to upgrade our OS. ====== @ Sam - Will Sibelius 8 will have the Rewire issue fixed and the font issue addressed when it is released? Also, have you noticed any sluggishness in moving larger scores in Mavericks? This is especially relevant to those of us purchasing new Macs with Mavericks already installed. @ Greg Sandow - Can you please let us know how Sibelius works on your MacBook Pro running Mavericks? Thanks to all concerned :-) -- Richie Vitale-Sib 7.1.3 User iMac 2.66 Ghz Intel/Lion/4 GB RAM http://www.richievitale.com http://www.youtube.com/user/richievitale Attachment Font difference.png (122K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Richard Vitale - 24 Oct 09:33PM (edited 24 Oct 09:36PM) Hide picture Also, Philip R said to Michael re: sluggishness: I wonder if this is at all related to the App Nap feature that Mavericks has? Could you see if disabling App Nap for Sibelius by clicking the app icon for Sibelius and pressing Command-I (or selecting File > Get Info) and clicking the checkbox "Prevent App Nap" also works? ====== On the chance that Michael isn't getting emails for this post, or can't get in touch with his friend, could someone experiencing sluggishness upon moving scores in Mavericks try this fix? -- Richie Vitale-Sib 7.1.3 User iMac 2.66 Ghz Intel/Lion/4 GB RAM http://www.richievitale.com http://www.youtube.com/user/richievitale Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Bob Morabito - 24 Oct 10:40PM (edited 24 Oct 10:45PM) Hide picture > I also am upset at Avid's firing of Daniel Spreadbury and his team, but if Sam says: > "We're very busy developing the next version of Sibelius but if we have time (and find Apple don't fix this soon), we'll consider releasing a patch for Sibelius 7.1." > and . . . > "We're very busy working on the next version of Sibelius and can't easily pull a developer off their current work to do a patch." > . . . I'll take that at face value and realize he's working short-handed and doing the best he can and not blame him for Avid's shortcomings. And so will I take Sam's word, and accept it completely...the remark earlier by another poster hoping "we can accept that information at face value" was indeed, unfortunate, and IMHO, simply uncalled for. Thanks Sam for keeping us posted :) Thanks Bob PS and very well said Richie! -- Bob Morabito Sib 6.2 Mac OS 10.7.5 iMac 8GB RAM Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Greg Jones - 25 Oct 03:54AM Hide picture I'm also looking forward to the release of Slbelius 8 or a patch of Sibelius 7.1. I had to uninstall my Sibelius 6 because it might not be compatible with Mavericks. Thank you as well for keeping us updated, Sam. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by James - 25 Oct 05:02AM Hide picture @Greg Why do you think that Sib 6 may not be compatible with Mavericks? From what Sam has said, it IS compatible, except for the registration having to be done by browser, although he said Avid did not do extensive testing. -- Mac OS 10.6.8 Sibelius 6.2 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Heikki M Malmberg - 25 Oct 07:14AM (edited 25 Oct 07:15AM) Hide picture Regarding the sluggishness. I found that the workaround Michael Shapiro suggested earlier in the thread made Sibelius more responsive. It still was a bit slow, but the difference in speed was quite big. Richard, I tried disabling App Nap, but it had no effect. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Richard Vitale - 25 Oct 11:51AM Hide picture Thx for checking Heikki :-) That's too bad . . . it was a very good suggestion from Philip but now it's up to the Sibelius engineers to look into this. I'll probably upgrade in a couple of days myself. Thanks for the news. -- Richie Vitale-Sib 7.1.3 User iMac 2.66 Ghz Intel/Lion/4 GB RAM http://www.richievitale.com http://www.youtube.com/user/richievitale Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Richard White - 25 Oct 05:19PM Hide picture > @Greg Why do you think that Sib 6 may not be compatible with Mavericks? From what Sam has said, it IS compatible, except for the registration having to be done by browser, although he said Avid did not do extensive testing. ...because he wrote this in his post of 10/24/13: "Sibelius is faring a lot better on Mavericks than previous releases, for instance, Sibelius 6 wouldn't even start up and Sibelius 5 would crash when opening the mixer on 10.6; you couldn't even open and save files with Sibelius 4 on 10.5." I'm assuming he's referring to Sibelius 7 when he says, "Sibelius is faring a lot better on Mavericks..." And he directly states that "Sibelius 6 wouldn't even start up." Am I misreading it? I'd be happy to be shown I'm wrong here. :-) -- Sibelius 6.2 GPO4 iMac Intel Core Duo 2 GHz 2gb ram http://www.whitcopress.com http://www.youtube.com/whitcopress http://www.whitcopress.com/rwpaypalpdf.html Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Robin Walker - 25 Oct 05:53PM Hide picture What Sam meant was that, at the time of the OS update concerned, Sibelius 6 would not start up, and updates to Sibelius 6 were required at that time so that it could start up. It is not any longer the case that Sibelius 6 does not start up. Ditto for Sibelius 4. -- Sibelius 7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 7.0.2, Dolet 6 for Sibelius, Windows 7 32-bit SP1, 4GB RAM Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Greg Jones - 25 Oct 06:11PM (edited 25 Oct 06:17PM) Hide picture I thought that it might not work with my computer. My bad! I was a bit confused, that's all. Thanks. I hope the Sibelius 8 release is in a couple of months or so. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Laurence Payne - 25 Oct 06:22PM Hide picture > I hope the Sibelius 8 release is in a couple of months or so. Don't we all! Then at least we'll have a better idea of where we (and Sibelius) stand. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Richard White - 25 Oct 06:34PM Hide picture > What Sam meant was that, at the time of the OS update concerned, Sibelius 6 would not start up, and updates to Sibelius 6 were required at that time so that it could start up. It is not any longer the case that Sibelius 6 does not start up. Ditto for Sibelius 4. Thanks for that clarification. One question, however: If updates to Sib 6 are no longer "required," is that because MAVERICKS has been changed in some way to accommodate Sib 4 & 6? -- Sibelius 6.2 GPO4 iMac Intel Core Duo 2 GHz 2gb ram http://www.whitcopress.com http://www.youtube.com/whitcopress http://www.whitcopress.com/rwpaypalpdf.html Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Robin Walker - 25 Oct 07:07PM Hide picture > If updates to Sib 6 are no longer "required," is that because MAVERICKS has been changed > in some way to accommodate Sib 4 & 6? Absolutely not. I did not say those updates are no longer required. The updates made then are still required now, and are incorporated in the latest version of Sibelius 6.2. -- Sibelius 7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 7.0.2, Dolet 6 for Sibelius, Windows 7 32-bit SP1, 4GB RAM Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Richard White - 25 Oct 07:33PM Hide picture And what is that latest Sib 6 update? Is it this? I have 6.2.0 Build 88 Audio Engine v1.0155 -- Sibelius 6.2 GPO4 iMac Intel Core Duo 2 GHz 2gb ram http://www.whitcopress.com http://www.youtube.com/whitcopress http://www.whitcopress.com/rwpaypalpdf.html Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Robin Walker - 25 Oct 07:49PM Hide picture As I already said in the post immediately above your question, the latest update to Sibelius 6 is Sibelius 6.2 -- Sibelius 7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 7.0.2, Dolet 6 for Sibelius, Windows 7 32-bit SP1, 4GB RAM Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Richard Vitale - 25 Oct 08:27PM Hide picture > What Sam meant was that, at the time of the OS update concerned, Sibelius 6 would not start up, and updates to Sibelius 6 were required at that time so that it could start up. It is not any longer the case that Sibelius 6 does not start up. Ditto for Sibelius 4.> ======= I think when Robin is referring above to "the OS update concerned," he is not speaking about Mavericks, but a different earlier OS. Reading the threads out of context, it took me a little time to figure this out also :-) -- Richie Vitale-Sib 7.1.3 User iMac 2.66 Ghz Intel/Lion/4 GB RAM http://www.richievitale.com http://www.youtube.com/user/richievitale Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Richard White - 25 Oct 09:01PM Hide picture Well spotted. I'm still left with the question of whether or not Sibelius 6.2.0 Build 88 Audio Engine v1.0155 will work in MAVERICKS. Anyone? -- Sibelius 6.2 GPO4 iMac Intel Core Duo 2 GHz 2gb ram http://www.whitcopress.com http://www.youtube.com/whitcopress http://www.whitcopress.com/rwpaypalpdf.html Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Robin Walker - 25 Oct 09:56PM Hide picture That is addressed in the very first post in this thread. -- Sibelius 7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 7.0.2, Dolet 6 for Sibelius, Windows 7 32-bit SP1, 4GB RAM Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Heikki M Malmberg - 26 Oct 08:10AM (edited 26 Oct 08:13AM) Hide picture I think that the sluggishness has got something to do with the QTKitServer. When I run Sibelius 7 on Mountain Lion, QTKitServer runs smoothly. When I run Sibelius on Mavericks, QTKitServer freezes the very second I open a score. -- Heikki Malmberg Sibelius 7.1.3 iMac 2,5GHz i5, 12Gb RAM, Mountain Lion MacBook Pro 2,4GHz i5, 4Gb RAM, Mavericks Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by s.n.e. - 26 Oct 08:42AM Hide picture Did anyone try to run Sibelius in 32-bit mode on Mavericks? I am doing that to run its in-built "Enhanced" MIDI synth (and also NI's Absynth as a VSTi) and I would not want to lose that possibility. Thanks, Soren -- Sibelius 7, Finale 2010, MacOS 10.7.5 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Philip R - 26 Oct 12:37PM Hide picture That's an interesting find, as the "QT" in your case stands for QuickTime, which is an Apple process, as opposed to "Qt", which is the UI framework apparently causing the font display issue in the dialogs. > I think that the sluggishness has got something to do with the QTKitServer. When I run Sibelius 7 on Mountain Lion, QTKitServer runs smoothly. When I run Sibelius on Mavericks, QTKitServer freezes the very second I open a score. > -- > Heikki Malmberg > Sibelius 7.1.3 > iMac 2,5GHz i5, 12Gb RAM, Mountain Lion > MacBook Pro 2,4GHz i5, 4Gb RAM, Mavericks -- Sib 7.1.3 Mac 10.6.8 Intel 2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core, 14 GB RAM http://www.nycmusicservices.com/ http://www.sibeliusblog.com/ Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Heikki M Malmberg - 26 Oct 12:54PM Hide picture I wonder what does the QTKitServer actually do? It seems that many different programs have their own instances of it running at the same time. As I'm typing this, my system is running two different "QT"-processes. One for Safari's web content, and one for Sibelius. The processes are named QTKitServer-(339) and QTKitServer-(468) respectively. > That's an interesting find, as the "QT" in your case stands for QuickTime, which is an Apple process, as opposed to "Qt", which is the UI framework apparently causing the font display issue in the dialogs. > > > I think that the sluggishness has got something to do with the QTKitServer. When I run Sibelius 7 on Mountain Lion, QTKitServer runs smoothly. When I run Sibelius on Mavericks, QTKitServer freezes the very second I open a score. > > -- > > Heikki Malmberg > > Sibelius 7.1.3 > > iMac 2,5GHz i5, 12Gb RAM, Mountain Lion > > MacBook Pro 2,4GHz i5, 4Gb RAM, Mavericks > > > -- > Sib 7.1.3 Mac 10.6.8 > Intel 2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core, 14 GB RAM > http://www.nycmusicservices.com/ > http://www.sibeliusblog.com/ -- Heikki Malmberg Sibelius 7.1.3 iMac 2,5GHz i5, 12Gb RAM, Mountain Lion MacBook Pro 2,4GHz i5, 4Gb RAM, Mavericks Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Richard Vitale - 26 Oct 07:17PM Hide picture Re: the QTKitServer issue and the Apple font issue, here is an interesting note (as I almost forgot my own rule of thumb): "A good general rule is NEVER buy a ".0" version of anything" from David Pogue's "The Missing Manual". Their are always bugs and glitches. ======== I posted that here in response to the Snow Leopard release: http://www.sibelius.com/cgi-bin/helpcenter/chat/chat.pl?com=thread&start=457810&groupid=3&&guest=1 and Terry Carter posted an interesting thread by Pogue just below mine. --- I have some important work to do in Final Cut so I have to wait anyway for OS 9.01. -- Richie Vitale-Sib 7.1.3 User iMac 2.66 Ghz Intel/Lion/4 GB RAM http://www.richievitale.com http://www.youtube.com/user/richievitale Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Klaus Flashar - 26 Oct 07:58PM Hide picture I just installed Maverick - Sibelius 6 works fine - no problems. the same with Sib 7 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Richard White - 26 Oct 08:06PM Hide picture > I just installed Maverick - Sibelius 6 works fine - no problems. > the same with Sib 7 Thanks for that - good to hear! -- Sibelius 6.2 GPO4 iMac Intel Core Duo 2 GHz 2gb ram http://www.whitcopress.com http://www.youtube.com/whitcopress http://www.whitcopress.com/rwpaypalpdf.html Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Greg Jones - 26 Oct 10:19PM (edited 26 Oct 10:20PM) Hide picture Considering the fact that Sam, his development team as well as the Ukranian team is working on Sibelius 8, I hope the text style issues get fixed up soon for Sibelius 7 (if not, we should wait for Sibelius 8). I think that Sibelius 8 might, just might, get an updated sound library too when it gets finally released (I predict that Sibelius 8 would be released sometime in Winter 2013/2014, maybe before or after Christmas, but I could be wrong). Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Wotan - 27 Oct 09:26AM Hide picture This means one can’t upgrade to Mavericks or buy a new Mac until April. Because if Sibelius comes in december it’ll take a couple of months until 8.0.6 which will be a version where the major bugs are fixed. Nice... Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Klaus Flashar - 27 Oct 09:36AM Hide picture I installed Mavericks yesterday - Sib 7 and Sib 6 run on my computer The only small bug is that the text fields in the ribbon are a little small Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Laurence Payne - 27 Oct 10:37AM (edited 27 Oct 10:42AM) Hide picture I wonder if there's any way to usefully channel all this angst? The butterfly's wing - a small issue with text display - has been orchestrated into a hurricane of doom and despondency reminiscent of the glory days of the Campaign. Think what you could do with a four-note motif! (Southern England is expecting a real hurricane tonight. I'll weather your responses along with it :-) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Nicholas Moroz - 27 Oct 12:00PM Hide picture Just to clarify - will I be able to reINSTALL Sibelius 6.2 on a new Mac running Mavericks? I am planning on getting a new macbook which makes Mavericks inevitable. I would accept the minor bugs (fonts...) for now. Thanks! Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Juha Lehmus - 27 Oct 12:40PM Hide picture Hi folks, I took a risk after reading everything above and upgraded to Mavericks. Latest Sib.7 works find and actually first time I heard my large score without "memory cracks" under nuance marks. I did make the sleep-awake-trick. Maybe that was the thing, maybe Mavericks? That's worth of considering... Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Chris Wimlett - 27 Oct 09:11PM Hide picture I hope you survive the hurricane Laurence. I installed Mavericks several days ago and, apart from the font issue, Sibelius 7 seems to be working OK. -- Sibelius 7.1.3, 6.2.0, Logic 9, Cubase 6.5, Mac OS X 10.8.3, iMac 3.06 Ghz, 4Gb RAM, Apogee Duet, Yamaha S90 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Laurence Payne - 27 Oct 09:31PM Hide picture So far, the promised hurricane is also a storm in a teacup here in London. But it was never going to be anything on the scale of Katrina or Sandy. So anyone who was worrying on our behalf, thanks but don't bother :-) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Philip Woodroffe - 27 Oct 11:27PM (edited 27 Oct 11:30PM) Hide picture I don't see why people are so perturbed by all this, come on a slight change in font thats hardly noticeable won't stop you composing, I think if you think of things objectively there will always be issues with any new os a lot of my other programs have some problems with mavericks, and guess what, they haven't fixed them either! If mavericks meant that sibelius 7 crashed I'm sure they would be on it, Sam if you look even said they would look at it if a fix wasn't found in a timely manner. come on be fair people. ok so rewire has problems yes, sam said they are waiting for more information again totally reasonable in my mind. I feel some people are just doing this because of lack of faith at avid but i mean come on! ps i have a 2009 mac and have noticed no slow down, perhaps it is to do with a newer architecture. would be interesting to know if the people with problems have ssd hard drives etc can you please post your mac specs. -- macbook pro, sib 6.2.0 and sib 7. 2.3 ghz dual core, mac os lion, sibelius choral and gpo (aria 4). east west sc east west so photoscore 7 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Alvaro Buitrago - 28 Oct 09:46AM Hide picture Sorry, I'm not an expert using ReWire, but I tried Sibelius + Reaper on ReWire mode and I can't see any issues. What are the expected behaviors of ReWire caused by Mavericks? See attached video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MypKZv6Jq_8 -- Alvaro Buitrago - Castilla y Leon (Spain) Sibelius 7.1.3, Sibelius 7 First, Compass/Instruments. Win8 - MacOS 10.8. http://crearmusica2.blogspot.com/ http://sibeliustutoriales.blogspot.com Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Heikki M Malmberg - 28 Oct 10:02AM (edited 28 Oct 10:24AM) Hide picture > I don't see why people are so perturbed by all this, come on a slight change in font thats hardly noticeable won't stop you composing. I don't think that anybody actually cares about the font problem much. I personally find the "bug" font more pleasing. > ok so rewire has problems yes, sam said they are waiting for more information again totally reasonable in my mind. Totally agree. But they should take these things very seriously, since some of us Sibelius users ended up with buggy systems by accident or force (e.g. buying a new computer to replace a broken or stolen one). I'll tell you how I ended up upgrading my laptop to Mavericks, since I really wasn't going to after reading the heads up from Avid. I had auto update activated on my iPad, and one morning I noticed that it had updated the iWork suite to version 2. I thought that that was a nice surprise until I opened a file with it, and it warned that the new version of the software uses a different file type, which can't be opened on a computer unless you have OS X Mavericks and The latest update of iWork installed. I need Numbers and Pages for running my business, so I decided to upgrade my laptop since most of the previous major upgrades hadn't caused any issues. I still left my tabletop untouched so I'd have a working system if things suddenly went south. So I upgraded my laptop, tested all my important software, Sibelius 7, Pro Tools 10 and Pro Tools 11. Every single one of them seemed to run smoothly on the initial launch. Then I checked for those iWork updates, and get this, I couldn't update them because I originally bought them on a DVD. It turns out that App Store doesn't recognize the software on my hard drive at all, and I can't update before they fix this issue. Then later on with Sibelius running for the second time, it was sluggish. I have to work with this machine too, so it's a problem. I'm glad that the workaround in one of Michael Shapiro's post eased it quite a bit, but it's still there. Gladly I don't need ReWire with my laptop, so the sluggishness is the only problem affecting my workflow. But I won't upgrade my tabletop before ReWire works flawlessly on Mavericks, since I need it day in day out on that machine. On top of everything, I have to avoid the use of all the iWork Apps on my iPad now, since if I open a document with one of them, my iPhone 3GS and none of my computer's are able to open it. I Can't roll back to previous versions either, since then I'd have a couple of documents I'd not able to open at all. > ps i have a 2009 mac and have noticed no slow down, perhaps it is to do with a newer architecture. would be interesting to know if the people with problems have ssd hard drives etc can you please post your mac specs. My laptop is a late 2011 13" MacBook Pro with 2,4 GHz Intel Core i5 and 4 GB 1333 MHz DDR3. It has a 500GB 5400rpm hard drive. -- Heikki Malmberg Sibelius 7.1.3 iMac 2,5GHz i5, 12Gb RAM, Mountain Lion MacBook Pro 2,4GHz i5, 4Gb RAM, Mavericks Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Alvaro Buitrago - 28 Oct 10:18AM Hide picture Oopps Sorry, Loopback mode On in Edirol. Now I can't see Sibelius doesn't send sound to ReWire Host. Sorry for the confusion. -- Alvaro Buitrago - Castilla y Leon (Spain) Sibelius 7.1.3, Sibelius 7 First, Compass/Instruments. Win8.1 - MacOS 10.9. http://crearmusica2.blogspot.com/ http://sibeliustutoriales.blogspot.com Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Laurence Payne - 28 Oct 10:51AM Hide picture > >I had auto update activated on my iPad, and one morning I noticed that it had updated the iWork suite to version 2. I thought that that was a nice surprise until I opened a file with it, and it warned that the new version of the software uses a different file type, which can't be opened on a computer unless you have OS X Mavericks and The latest update of iWork installed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's VERY naughty of Apple. Something similar happened recently on my Nexus 7 tablet. An "update" to the useful Google Maps app removed a vital function - ample storage for an offline map. It's a mild nuisance having to turn off auto updates, but at least I was able to reinstate the old version. Can you roll back iWork to the previous version? I'm afraid in the world of apps, "update" very often means "more advertising". Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Heikki M Malmberg - 28 Oct 11:16AM Hide picture > That's VERY naughty of Apple. Yes, indeed it is. > Can you roll back iWork to the previous version? No unfortunately I can't, since then I'd have a couple of documents I'd not able to open at all anymore. I contacted Apple Support regarding this issue, and they said that Apple is going to release updates for the old versions of iWork that'll understand the new file format. When they will be released, who knows? What I really don't get, is why they didn't release those updates first, and launch the new version second. Then there wouldn't have been a problem in the first place. They must have known/realized that this would be a problem. Oh well, Apple is as Apple does. -- Heikki Malmberg Sibelius 7.1.3 iMac 2,5GHz i5, 12Gb RAM, Mountain Lion MacBook Pro 2,4GHz i5, 4Gb RAM, Mavericks Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Laurence Payne - 28 Oct 11:51AM (edited 28 Oct 11:55AM) Hide picture I suppose the moral is: keep control, don't allow auto-updates. To use the motor car analogy, computing has progressed from requiring a resident mechanic/chauffeur to automatic gearboxes and pretty good reliability. But there's a distressing tendency now for the car to not only work out the route, but pick the destination too. Be very careful abour relinquishing control and wanting things to "just work". It's not just a Mac thing now. Windows 8 installs dumbed-down "apps" that take precedence over the full versions. But at least the proper programs are still there, if you go looking. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Heikki M Malmberg - 28 Oct 01:21PM Hide picture > I suppose the moral is: keep control, don't allow auto-updates. Yes, I suppose so too. Although, I have to add, that I'd probably updated iWork anyway. Apple was very misleading with the info regarding the new file format, since they said that it was a universal format that would work on all of their devices. -- Heikki Malmberg Sibelius 7.1.3 iMac 2,5GHz i5, 12Gb RAM, Mountain Lion MacBook Pro 2,4GHz i5, 4Gb RAM, Mavericks Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Laurence Payne - 28 Oct 04:00PM Hide picture It probably will, as long as all the devices are fully updated. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Henry AZ - 29 Oct 01:12AM Hide picture To throw a bit more fuel on the fire, I visited one of the links posted above about the "font bug": https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-32789 If you read down further to a post made in August (!), the "fix/workaround" to the bug was an addition of a single line of code to the library, and many developers did indeed do this. I suppose just not Avid. Now, I know that no release is as simple as recompiling and passing it out ... but ... Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Franniefanakapan - 30 Oct 08:30PM Hide picture So having read all that, will Sibelius 7 run OK on Mavericks? !! Re "text in dialogs will be slightly different so may not appear correctly" what is the text in dialogs? I've no idea. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Franniefanakapan - 30 Oct 08:31PM Hide picture All I want to know is that it won't crash, won't run slowly, and that my scores will look exactly the same as they do now when I open them up or create new ones. Can anyone confirm? Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Nick Irons - 31 Oct 12:06AM Hide picture -- Nick Irons. Sib 7. Windows 7 Laptop. 8GB, 64 bit.Confirm Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Greg Jones - 31 Oct 05:11AM Hide picture I can confirm that Sibelius 7 runs okay and it still won't crash. The scores still look the same. The only problem is that it's just the text menu issues. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Heikki M Malmberg - 31 Oct 08:44AM Hide picture > All I want to know is that it won't crash, won't run slowly, and that my scores will look exactly the same as they do now when I open them up or create new ones. Can anyone confirm? It won't crash and your scores will look the same. Most users haven't had any issues with sluggishness, but I for one, have experienced a significant decrease in speed. -- Heikki Malmberg Sibelius 7.1.3 iMac 2,5GHz i5, 12Gb RAM, Mountain Lion MacBook Pro 2,4GHz i5, 4Gb RAM, Mavericks Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Greg Jones - 31 Oct 08:43PM (edited 31 Oct 10:31PM) Hide picture Bobby Lombardi has just announced that the next new release would be Sibelius 7.5 according to Philip Rothman. That will be before Sibelius 8, if it is in development at the moment. There's a post about this matter by Bob Morabito. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Steve - 31 Oct 11:55PM Hide picture > I suppose the moral is: keep control, don't allow auto-updates. > > To use the motor car analogy, computing has progressed from requiring a resident mechanic/chauffeur to automatic gearboxes and pretty good reliability. But there's a distressing tendency now for the car to not only work out the route, but pick the destination too. Be very careful abour relinquishing control and wanting things to "just work". > > It's not just a Mac thing now. Windows 8 installs dumbed-down "apps" that take precedence over the full versions. But at least the proper programs are still there, if you go looking. Yes to this bit about relinquishing control. I have completely given up on corporate operating systems for just this reason (except I still have a legacy iMac with Snow Leopard for Sibelius). It's a shame there is such a divide between the "free" software/open source community and the world of "business". I'd gladly pay the same price for a version of Sibelius that runs on Linux so that I could enjoy the product without having to put up with all the nonsense that comes with the current requisite corporate operating systems. -- Sibelius 7.1.3, iMac - Snow Leopard 2013. http://ComposersofSibelius.com Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Michael Marks - 06 Nov 01:28AM Hide picture Hi, I have just bought a new Macbook Air which has had Mavericks installed already. I am still using Sibelius 5 on my old Macbook and was just going to upgrade to Sibelius 7 when buying the new computer. However, I have seen that their are problems with using Sibelius on this new OS. Please could you tell me what to do as I would like to use my new laptop rather than the old one. When will the issues with compatability be sorted? Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Greg Jones - 06 Nov 02:22AM Hide picture Hi. As you might have been aware, Avid is planning to release Sibelius 7.5 sometime in Winter 2013/2014. The text issues might be fixed up by then. I think that the only problems with Sibelius 7 on OS X (pronounced Ten) Mavericks is the text issues. -- Sibelius 7.1.3, MacBook Pro, OS X Version 10.9 Mavericks, 8 GB 1067 Mhz DDR3, 2.53 GHz Intel Core i5 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Klaus Flashar - 06 Nov 07:19AM Hide picture There is one other problem for me with mavericks- the note-input with my keyboard is much slower. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Robin Walker - 06 Nov 10:02AM Hide picture Michael Marks, There are serious issues that will prevent Sibelius 5 working correctly on Mavericks, so you should not contemplate that route. The compatibility issues between Sibelius 7 and Mavericks are largely superficial, involving smaller text size on menus and buttons. There is no known issue that prevents you and Sibelius doing anything that Sibelius was designed to do. Avid have declared that they do not support using Sibelius 7 on Mavericks, but, frankly, you have no alternative, because you do not have a choice on whether to upgrade the Mac OS or not. -- Sibelius 7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 7.0.2, Dolet 6 for Sibelius, Windows 7 32-bit SP1, 4GB RAM Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks - Status Update Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 07 Nov 10:16PM Hide picture Hi All, I've been asked by several people for a status update on how Sibelius 7 and Sibelius 7 First are doing on Mavericks. The issues we are tracking are: * Rewire not sending audio from Sibelius to host * Font used in dialogs is different (cosmetic only) * Performance and responsiveness is not great The workaround for the performance issue, which we've confirmed in-house, is to put your computer to sleep then wake it up. We are investigating the cause of this and have logged a bug with Apple. I'll post more news when I have it. Sam -- Contact Sibelius technical help by email or phone: www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks - Status Update Posted by Chris Wimlett - 08 Nov 05:18PM Hide picture Thanks for the update, Sam. The sleep issue is interesting and probably explains why I've not had performance problems - I tend to put my computer to sleep rather than shut it down. -- Sibelius 7.1.3, 6.2.0, Logic 9, Cubase 6.5, Mac OS X 10.8.3, iMac 3.06 Ghz, 4Gb RAM, Apogee Duet, Yamaha S90 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks - Status Update Posted by Greg Jones - 12 Nov 04:37AM Hide picture I would also like to thank you for the update Sam. I'm still looking forward for the newest Sibelius release. -- Sibelius 7.1.3, MacBook Pro, OS X Version 10.9 Mavericks, 8 GB 1067 Mhz DDR3, 2.53 GHz Intel Core i5 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks - Status Update Posted by Bert Gielen - 16 Nov 05:50PM Hide picture I just transferred all my data & apps to my new MacBook Pro, Mavericks. Sibelius 7.1.3 isn't starting at all here... ? Help... It shows "unspecified error (1)" and nothing happens. Anyone had the same issue ? Thnx Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks - Status Update Posted by Marcos dos Santos - 18 Nov 06:45PM Hide picture Bert, Did you tried to reinstall or simply moved Sibelius to the new system? Maybe you should install it again. -- Marcos Sibelius 7.1.3, Sibelius First 7.1.3 win 7 Ultimate SP1 64bits, M-Audio Fast Track Pro. Desktop: i7(950) 3.06Ghz 8GB Ram, Notebook: i7 3630QM 2.4Ghz 16GB Ram Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks - Status Update Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 18 Nov 10:46PM Hide picture Hi Bert, I'd expect you'll need the advice on this article: http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/error_message/en430511 Sam -- Contact Sibelius technical help by email or phone: www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks - Status Update Posted by wammer - 22 Nov 08:53AM Hide picture Has anyone tried using PhotoScore Ultimate under Mavericks? I need PhotoScore to work as much as Sibelius 7 so I am unwilling to upgrade until I know both will work. I contacted Neuratron support who said they were testing it and would get back to me, but I have not heard anything yet. I would be very grateful if anyone who has tried it could let me know if it works or not. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks - Status Update Posted by ljb@mail.com - 26 Nov 10:08PM Hide picture For what it's worth, I'm having no problems of any kind running Sibelius under Mavericks. As far as I can tell, there is no difference in any way. And it's not at all slower, either. Lew Buckley ************ Sibelius 7.1.3, Mac OS 10.9 (Mavericks), iMac 2.9GHz Intel Core i5, 8 GB RAM ********************************** Publisher, Composer, Arranger, Conductor, Performer, and all the rest of the stuff we all do to try to eke out livings as musicians... Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks - Status Update Posted by Klaus Flashar - 27 Nov 05:56PM Hide picture Lew - Sibelius is much slower for me if i am working with big scores Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks - Status Update Posted by Philip Woodroffe - 28 Nov 12:14AM Hide picture no problems with photoscore ultimate here on mavericks, if there is something that you want me to test particularly on ultimate let me know and ill do my best, but playback is fine, scanning is fine, pdf reading is fine. all was working after the upgrade but i also updated the latest scanner/printer updates for good measure, but this was not needed as all was fine anyway. -- macbook pro, sib 6.2.0 and sib 7. 2.3 ghz dual core, mac os lion, sibelius choral and gpo (aria 4). east west sc east west so photoscore 7 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Wotan - 12 Dec 11:37AM Hide picture Are there any news about Sibleius 7 and Mavericks? I believe, it must be known now at Avid, that there is a new Mac OS. Can we hope to have a Sibelius version which is compatible with this new OS which appeared absolutely surprising some days ago? I must buy a new Mac. And I would appreciate it very much if Avid would allow me to do so without having to install at first another OS. May we hope to get this update in this life? Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Robin Walker - 12 Dec 03:28PM Hide picture Wotan, what is there that is stopping you from using Sibelius 7 on Mavericks right now? Many others are already doing so. I have no special knowledge on this, but this article: http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/compatibility/Sibelius-7-on-Windows-XP-and-Vista-compatibility has been published since this thread started. The article states: "there are no current plans for any further updates to Sibelius 7" Which leaves us with the thought that maybe the full Mavericks compatibility will not arrive until Sibelius 7.5. -- Sibelius 7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 7.0.2, Dolet 6.3 for Sibelius, Windows 7 32-bit SP1, 4GB RAM Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Wotan - 12 Dec 03:44PM Hide picture What me stops is the bad performance. But what’s about Sibelius 7.5? Reading this article I find nothing about a future update. Is there some hint that Sibelius 7.5 will come sometimes and will be compatible with Mavericks? Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Robin Walker - 12 Dec 04:04PM Hide picture > What me stops is the bad performance. Have you tried the cure that is discussed earlier in this thread? Putting the Mac OS to sleep, and then resuming? -- Sibelius 7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 7.0.2, Dolet 6.3 for Sibelius, Windows 7 32-bit SP1, 4GB RAM Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Wotan - 12 Dec 04:18PM Hide picture This may help or not. (Some say it helps, some say it doesn’t…) But how often shall I do this? I think it would be better if Avid would try to fix this bug. But it seems they are not interested... Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Robin Walker - 12 Dec 05:34PM Hide picture > But how often shall I do this? Just once, when you first notice the problem. > I think it would be better if Avid would try to fix this bug. Since other applications suffer the same problem, it is likely to be Apple's bug, not Avid's. Perhaps you should ask Apple when they are going to fix it. -- Sibelius 7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 7.0.2, Dolet 6.3 for Sibelius, Windows 7 32-bit SP1, 4GB RAM Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Wotan - 12 Dec 05:40PM Hide picture I have no other program with this problem. And perhaps Avid should fix this bug or Apple to do it. This is not my job. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by pianoleo - 13 Dec 11:39AM Hide picture Could this problem be to do with "App-Nap"? I discovered that Express Scribe (an audio player that I use for transcribing with a usb foot-pedal) is very laggy with "App-Nap" turned on, so disabled it for both Express Scribe and Sibelius. I have not encountered any performance issues since, with either program, or anything else for that matter, running on Mavericks. App-Nap is NOT a bug, it's a FEATURE (apparently!). It slows down minimised processes to conserve power (and therefore battery life if you're running a laptop) but the problem is that it doesn't necessarily notice when an Application is actually being used again, and causes performance issues. You can disable it for individual programs by opening the applications folder (as a folder, by alt-cmd-clicking the folder in the dock), browsing to Sibelius, right clicking on it, clicking "Get Info" and then ticking the "Prevent App Nap" box. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Klaus Flashar - 17 Dec 11:50AM Hide picture Now with MacOs 9.1 there are no bugs ! And it is as fast as with Mountain Lion. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Wotan - 18 Dec 12:39PM Hide picture OK. I have the new computer with OS X 10.9.1. Power Nap is deactivated, and Sibelius is very slow. I must put the computer to sleep and wake it up, tja Sibelius’ Performance is OK, but by far not as good as with 10.8. But I unterstand: This is not a problem which could be interesting for AVID. There is just now the option to "sidgrade" to Finale. It seems the best solution. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 18 Dec 12:50PM Hide picture Hi Wotan, We are indeed interested to getting this issue resolved. It's not an easy problem to fix and Apple have confirmed it's on their plate to resolve. As mentioned on SibeliusBlog.com, we are looking into our own patch too as we don't have any assurances from Apple when their update will be released. Until we have more news on this, the workaround is working for many users: # Start Sibelius # Go to Apple menu > Sleep # Wait a few seconds # Wake the computer up and log in Klaus, above, suggests the 10.9.1 update has made things better for him so I hope it's better for others too. Our own tests here suggests 10.9.1 hasn't resolved the problem though. I'll let everyone know when we have more news. Sam -- Contact Sibelius technical help by email or phone: www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Wotan - 19 Dec 08:49PM Hide picture OK. I unterstand: Mavericks appeared suddenly some weeks ago, nobody knew that it will come, so there was no possibility to test Sibelius with Mavericks. Anyway: I spoke with some friends who use Sibelius and Finale: not one recommended the change to Finale, all said, Finale is a torture. So I will put my Mac to sleep whenever I start Sibelius and wait for the update. May be it comes before I enter my next life. (I don't believe it. But there are rumours about another software which will come and is a ignored heir of the Sibelius family...) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Scott Roewe - 02 Jan 05:39PM Hide picture I am using Sibelius First with Mavericks 10.9.1, which is what I expect most students would be using. I am a high school teacher and trying out the demo version Sibelius First before I recommend it to my students. I am noticing in Sibelius First when I copy and paste text, Sibelius doesn't split the syllables at all. I have used Sibelius for years and this feature always worked correctly. Any comments? Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Bob Zawalich - 02 Jan 07:20PM Hide picture This really should be in a separate thread, but I did try copying some words in Word to the clipboard and pasting them in Sib 7 First and it did split them into syllables. (Windows 7). See screenshot. -- Bob Sib 1.2 - 7, Windows 7 Pro SP 1 64 bit, 4 G RAM. Year 2013. Attachment snap1.png (28K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Scott Roewe - 02 Jan 08:05PM Hide picture I will start a separate thread as you suggest, I though I suspect this may be an issue related to the fact I am using Mavericks. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Jan Steele - 06 Jan 01:01PM Hide picture It is currently impossible to start a new thread (6th January, 13.00 GMT). There doesn't seem to be a way of contacting Avid to let them know about this without purchasing an ASC code - and of course I can't start a new thread to alert anyone to this - so I'm jumping this thread! -- Composer/saxophonist/flautist; Sib 7.1.3, Mac OS X Lion 10.7.4; Mac Pro mid-2012 - 2 x 2.4 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon - 32 Gb RAM; M-Audio Profire 610. Various sound libraries Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Steven Edis - 06 Jan 01:23PM Hide picture hi Jan, it seems to be ok here - I've just tried a 'test' message. Are you clicking on 'Start new thread' in the middle of the line just above the list of current threads? Steve Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 06 Jan 01:23PM Hide picture Hi Jan, Sorry for the problem with creating a new thread. We've fixed this so please let me know if you have any further problems. Sam -- Contact Sibelius technical help by email or phone: www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Jan Steele - 06 Jan 02:22PM Hide picture Working fine now - thanks Sam. -- Composer/saxophonist/flautist; Sib 7.1.3, Mac OS X Lion 10.7.4; Mac Pro mid-2012 - 2 x 2.4 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon - 32 Gb RAM; M-Audio Profire 610. Various sound libraries Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Greg Jones - 08 Jan 04:22AM Hide picture With Sam Butler being promoted as the software's new product manager, I'm wondering if there is any news going on with Sibelius 7.5. I'm looking forward to this... -- Sibelius 7.1.3, MacBook Pro, OS X Version 10.9 Mavericks, 8 GB 1067 Mhz DDR3, 2.53 GHz Intel Core i5 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Gordon Thornett - 11 Jan 04:43PM Hide picture Rather than wading through all these posts, I've held back from upgrading to Mavericks, in case this gives rise to problems with Sibelius 7. Could I ask whether the issues have been sorted yet, and if not, when are they likely to be? Also, I'm sometimes asked to send a score to somebody with a much earlier version of Sibelius. Would exporting my scores to an earlier version present any problems if I were to upgrade my Mac to Mavericks? -- www.newcarols.com Freelance music therapist and occasional composer. Sibelius 7.13, GPO4, iMac3.06GHz, Evolution MK-149, MacBook Pro Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Wotan - 11 Jan 08:06PM Hide picture On 18th december I got here this answer: "We are indeed interested to getting this issue resolved. It's not an easy problem to fix and Apple have confirmed it's on their plate to resolve. As mentioned on SibeliusBlog.com, we are looking into our own patch too as we don't have any assurances from Apple when their update will be released. " As you see, this statement is asbolutely void. It means nothing and nothing happens. And nothig will happen. There is no differente between this statement and the Forst, Avid made about this problem: They confirmed the bug an declares that there will ne no update. That's the future of Sibelius. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Bob Zawalich - 11 Jan 08:36PM Hide picture > Also, I'm sometimes asked to send a score to somebody with a much earlier version of Sibelius. Would exporting my scores to an earlier version present any problems if I were to upgrade my Mac to Mavericks? I would not expect that the OS would have any effect on this. Be aware that the further back you convert a score, the more likely that details will be lost. Obviously features added in later versions of Sibelius (such as magnetic layout) will not be maintained in the earlier version. -- Bob Sib 1.2 - 7, Windows 7 Pro SP 1 64 bit, 4 G RAM. Year 2013. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Gordon Thornett - 14 Jan 02:05PM Hide picture Thanks. On balance, then, I suppose I shouldn't upgrade. Of course if I have to replace my Mac at any stage, I won't have any choice:( -- www.newcarols.com Freelance music therapist and occasional composer. Sibelius 7.13, GPO4, iMac3.06GHz, Evolution MK-149, MacBook Pro Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Wotan - 14 Jan 09:00PM Hide picture I had to replace my Mac and have now the problem. But it's just a problem for the users of Sibelius not for AVID... I think well have to wait until we can have a look on Steinberg’s new program. But for the moment we must take the situation as it is. One can work wirb Sibleius, it’s just that we have to put the Mac to sleep and to wake it up, but it’s not a fine experience to get several times everyday the message, that we are nothing for AVID just because we already paid them... Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 14 Jan 09:47PM Hide picture Hi Woton, Like I've said before, we are taking this seriously and are working with Apple to resolve the issue. Due to the developer agreement we have with Apple, we can't disclose the work that has been going on behind the scenes but I assure you that there's good progress being made and there should be a resolution soon. Unfortunately we can't tell when it'll be available so in the meantime, you will need to put your computer to sleep and wake it up again each time you run Sibelius (which takes just a few seconds). As this thread has become a little unwieldy, I have created this KB article in the hope that people will find the information more easily: http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/compatibility/Sibelius-sluggish-on-Mavericks Sorry for the wait in getting this resolved. Sam -- Contact Sibelius technical help by email or phone: www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Greg Jones - 24 Jan 12:15AM Hide picture Just a quick note to all. Sibelius 7.5 has been announced by Avid. The press release is at: http://www.avid.com/US/press-room/Trusted-Music-Notation-Sibelius75 The discussion about the announcent is at: http://www.sibelius.com/cgi-bin/helpcenter/chat/chat.pl?com=thread&start=645019&groupid=3& -- Sibelius 7.1.3, MacBook Pro, OS X Version 10.9 Mavericks, 8 GB 1067 Mhz DDR3, 2.53 GHz Intel Core i5 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 25 Feb 08:14PM Hide picture Hi All, I'm pleased to let you know that Apple have released Mac OS 10.9.2, which includes a fix to the way caches are handled that resolves the sluggishness of Sibelius 7 and Sibelius First on Mac OS 10.9. After updating to 10.9.2, Sibelius will run as normal without having to send the Mac to sleep. Sam -- Contact Sibelius technical help by email or phone: www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Klaus Flashar - 25 Feb 08:58PM Hide picture I just installed 10.9.2 - its true Sib 7 runs fine now ! Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Philip R - 25 Feb 09:13PM Hide picture Thanks, Sam! -- Sib 7.1.3 Mac 10.9.1 Mac Pro (Late 2013) 32 GB RAM http://www.nycmusicservices.com/ http://www.sibeliusblog.com/ Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Ronald Pearl - 25 Feb 09:22PM Hide picture Thanks, Sam! A number of us have been wary of moving up to Mavericks for precisely this reason. Now, no reason not to. -- Ron Pearl 7.1.2 iMac, 10.7.5, 2.5 GHz i5, 4G ram http://www.ronaldmpearl.com/ Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Greg Jones - 25 Feb 10:59PM (edited 27 Feb 01:19PM) Hide picture Just installed the update too. It's as solid as a rock! -- Sibelius 7.1.3, MacBook Pro, OS X Version 10.9 Mavericks, 8 GB 1067 Mhz DDR3, 2.53 GHz Intel Core i5 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by arfo - 03 Mar 05:41PM Hide picture Hi everybody, do you know if the Rewire issue is fixed too? I've read that you get no sound when using rewire on mavericks... thanx, arfo Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 03 Mar 08:06PM Hide picture Hi Arfo, We've made several improvements to how Sibelius runs uses ReWire so you should find it a lot more reliable, including making sure it works on Mavericks. When setting up Sibelius as a ReWire device in Pro Tools, say, you need to make sure you choose the Audio ins or outs (I can't remember which off hand) in the ReWire window that pops up. The host can then receive the audio that Sibelius is sending. Sam -- Contact Sibelius technical help by email or phone: www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by arfo - 03 Mar 11:08PM Hide picture Hi Sam, thank you for answering. I'm not (not yet, as I'm still on a windows platform..) a mavericks user but I've read something about trouble with sibelius http://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/mavericks-mac-os-x-10-9-compatibility-information/ and so I wrote this post... Nice to know that issues are fixed. Can I still use my sibelius 6 version if I buy a mac with mavericks OS? thanx again, arfo Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 04 Mar 09:17AM Hide picture Hi Arfo, Although Sibelius 6 may run on Mavericks, we haven't qualified it. Out recommendation is to upgrade to Sibelius 7.5 if you're going to be relying on Sibelius on a Mac running Mavericks. Sam -- Contact Sibelius technical help by email or phone: www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by arfo - 04 Mar 04:31PM Hide picture Hi Sam, so I'll upgrade... Can I still run my sibelius 6 on my old laptop pc (win xp) after upgrading? Thank you, arfo Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 05 Mar 11:41PM Hide picture Indeed. Your copy of Sibelius 6 will still run on Windows XP. Don't forget about this though, which gives you about a month left: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/end-support-help Sam -- Contact Sibelius technical help by email or phone: www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius products on Mac OS X Mavericks Posted by arfo - 06 Mar 09:09AM Hide picture > Don't forget about this though, which gives you about a month left: > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/end-support-help > > Sam > > -- > Contact Sibelius technical help by email or phone: > www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/contact.html > > www.sibelius.com/support Hi Sam, thank you, once more, for answering and for remembering about the xp question... I was forgetting it.... arfo Back to top | All threads