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Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Daniel Spreadbury, 25 Aug 09:22AM
     Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Phil Gaskill, 25 Aug 01:44PM
         Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Daniel Spreadbury, 25 Aug 02:29PM
             Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Gordon Thornett, 25 Aug 08:56PM
             Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Gordon Thornett, 25 Aug 08:57PM
                 Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Jean Jacques Reymond, 25 Aug 10:08PM
                     Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Daniel Spreadbury, 26 Aug 08:32AM
                         Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Jean Jacques Reymond, 26 Aug 07:08PM
                         Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Greg Martell, 27 Aug 10:07AM
                             Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Rob Tuley, 27 Aug 01:55PM
                             Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Laurence Payne, 27 Aug 02:55PM
                                 Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Richard Vitale, 27 Aug 06:12PM
                                 Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Terry Carter, Rural Michigan USA, 27 Aug 06:16PM
                                     Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Laurence Payne, 27 Aug 06:49PM
                                         Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Phil Gaskill, 27 Aug 08:41PM
                                             Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Laurence Payne, 27 Aug 09:35PM
                                                 Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Phil Gaskill, 27 Aug 10:30PM
                                                     Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Laurence Payne, 27 Aug 11:21PM
                                                         Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Phil Gaskill, 28 Aug 03:09AM
                                                             Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Steve Horn, 28 Aug 04:25AM
                                                                 Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Daniel Spreadbury, 28 Aug 02:42PM
                                                                     Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Richard Vitale, 03 Sep 06:50PM
                                     Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Terry Carter, Rural Michigan USA, 06 Sep 09:46PM
                                         Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - Rob Tuley, 06 Sep 10:47PM

Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 25 Aug 09:22AM
Apple have announced that Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard will ship on Friday 28 August 2009.

Sibelius 6.0 and Sibelius 6.0.1 are not yet fully compatible with Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, and users may experience the following issues when running Sibelius 6 on the latest version of Mac OS X:

* Crash on start-up if Sibelius is not registered.
* Crash if you show the Mixer window.
* Hang if you change the sample rate in Audio Engine Options, accessed via Play > Playback Devices.

Because of these issues, we recommend that folks who want to use Sibelius 6 stick to Mac OS X 10.5 for the time being, and do not upgrade to Mac OS X 10.6. We are fully committed to supporting Mac OS X 10.6, and an update that fixes the above issues will be available as soon as possible.

Please keep an eye on the official page on the Sibelius web site for more information as it becomes available:

http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/snowleopard.html

Earlier versions of Sibelius, and derivative products such as Sibelius First and Sibelius Student, are not officially supported on Mac OS X 10.6, but do not have any significant known problems at the time of writing. If you are currently running Sibelius 5 or earlier and are thinking about upgrading to Mac OS X 10.6, we do not know of any reason why you shouldn’t go right ahead: only Sibelius 6 users should hold off on upgrading their operating system for the time being.

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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Phil Gaskill - 25 Aug 01:44PM
> users may experience the following issues when running Sibelius 6 on the latest version of Mac OS X

Are those essentially the only serious issues? In other words, if (a) my copy is registered and (c) I never change sample rates, then if I can only avoid (b) showing my Mixer until this is fixed, I should be okay? Or are there other issues?

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Sib 6.0.1, PhotoScore 5.5.1, Dolet 3.4, year 2009
Mac Pro 2.66 (Intel), OSX 10.5.8, 4 GB RAM
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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 25 Aug 02:29PM
Those are the only known issues, but we do not recommend using Sibelius 6 on Mac OS X 10.6 until such time as these issues are addressed.

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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Gordon Thornett - 25 Aug 08:56PM
Thanks for the timely warning, Daniel. I was intending to order Snow Leopard for its supposed improvement in speed, etc., but now will wait until we get the green light from you.

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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Gordon Thornett - 25 Aug 08:57PM
Thanks for the timely warning, Daniel. I was intending to order Snow Leopard for its supposed improvement in speed, etc., but now will wait until we get the green light from you.

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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Jean Jacques Reymond - 25 Aug 10:08PM
If I unterstand correctely it's possible to upgrade our OS from Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard to Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard and use Sibelius if we own for example Sibelius 5. As I'm in this case (Sibelius 5 and Mac OS X 10.5.8) it's very important for me to be sure about; I am correct ? Many Thanks.

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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 26 Aug 08:32AM
Yes, if you already have Sibelius 5 installed and you upgrade to Mac OS X 10.6, you should be able to continue using Sibelius 5 without any problems. Please note, however, that Sibelius 5 is not officially supported on Mac OS X 10.6: it is supported up to Mac OS X 10.5 only.

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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Jean Jacques Reymond - 26 Aug 07:08PM
Many thanks Daniel for the answer and for advicing us about this Mac OS X question. I hope that Sibelius 6 will be soon available even in France (it's not the case actually but that's an other question).

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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Greg Martell - 27 Aug 10:07AM
>Please note, however, that Sibelius 5 is not officially supported on Mac OS X 10.6: it is supported up to Mac OS X 10.5 only.
>
Could you please clarify what this statement means. I am just a little confused as to what type of 'support' is being referred to here.

Many Thanks


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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Rob Tuley - 27 Aug 01:55PM
> Could you please clarify what this statement means.

What it usually means is that Sib 5 and earlier versions were written before OSX 10.6 was released, so there is a possibility that Apple have changed something which stops Sib 5 from working. Sibelius don't usually update old versions of the software, so if you do find a problem caused by 10.6 it will probably never be fixed (except by upgrading to Sib 6).

On the other hand, Daniel said in his first post that they don't know any reason why Sib 5 won't work on OSX 10.6 - which almost certainly means they have run it and it did work OK.

Of course you will still get full support for non-computer-specific questions about how to use the software (like "how do I create an irregular length bar"). That applies to every version of Sib right back to version 1.

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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Laurence Payne - 27 Aug 02:55PM
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:07:22, "New User" <greg@musiclab.co.nz> wrote:

>>Please note, however, that Sibelius 5 is not officially supported on Mac OS X
>10.6: it is supported up to Mac OS X 10.5 only.
>>
>Could you please clarify what this statement means. I am just a little confused
>as to what type of 'support' is being referred to here.

"Won't work" means what it says.

"Not supported" can mean "will probably work, but don't come running
to us if it doesn't".

In the light of Daniel's previous statement, this seems to be the case
here.

So, if there's work to do, you won't be rushing to install 10.6, will
you?

Yes,I know its NEW, and you WANT IT :-)

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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Richard Vitale - 27 Aug 06:12PM (edited 27 Aug 06:14PM)
AI good general rule is NEVER buy a ".0" version of anything (except Sibelius):
from David Pogue's The Missing Manual.

OS's are sooo complex and vast, it's best to wait 'til Snow Leopard ".01".

Their are always bugs and glitches.

But, on the other hand someone has buy it and let Apple know what the bugs are, . . . and that could be you!

:-)

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iMac 2.66 Ghz Intel/OS 10.5.8
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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Terry Carter, Rural Michigan USA - 27 Aug 06:16PM
New York Times, August 27, 2009

Apple’s Sleek Upgrade
By DAVID POGUE

Buying software is not like buying a vase or a comb or a lawnmower where you pay, you take it home, and the transaction is complete.

No, buying software is more like joining a club with annual dues. Every year, there’s a new version, and if you don’t upgrade, you feel like a behind-the-curve loser.

There’s a time bomb ticking in that business model, however. To keep you upgrading, the software company has to pile on more features each time. Sooner or later, you wind up with a huge, sloshing, incoherent mess of a program; a pile of spaghetti code that doesn’t run well and makes nobody happy.

You’re in even worse shape if that bloatware is your operating system — the software you run all day. Just ask anyone with Windows Vista.

This year, though, Apple and Microsoft both realized that the pile-on-features model is unsustainable. Both are releasing new versions of their operating systems that are unapologetically billed as cleaned-up, slimmed-down versions of what came before.

Microsoft’s, called Windows 7, comes out in October. Apple’s, called Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, arrives on Friday, a month earlier than announced. (Apple to Microsoft: “Surprise!”)

Apple’s release strategy is highly unorthodox: “Leopard, a k a Mac OS X 10.5, was already a great OS-virus-free, nag-free and not copy-protected. So instead of adding features for their own sake, let’s just make what we’ve got smaller, faster and more refined.”

What? No new features? That’s not how the industry works! Doesn’t Apple know anything?

And then there’s the price of Snow Leopard: $30.

Have they lost their minds? Operating-system upgrades always cost a hundred-something dollars! ($30 is the price if you already have Leopard. If not, the price is $170 for a Mac Box Set that also includes two suites of Apple software: iLife (iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, iWeb and the GarageBand music studio), and iWork (the Numbers spreadsheet, Pages word processor and Keynote presentation software).

In any case, Snow Leopard truly is an optimized version of Leopard. It starts up faster (72 seconds on a MacBook Air, versus 100 seconds in Leopard). It opens programs faster (Web browser, 3 seconds; calendar, 5 seconds; iTunes, 7 seconds), and the second time you open the same program, the time is halved.

“Optimized” doesn’t just mean faster; it also means smaller. Incredibly, Snow Leopard is only half the size of its predecessor; following the speedy installation (15 minutes), you wind up with 7 gigabytes more free space on your hard drive. That, ladies and gents, is a first.

Unfortunately, Snow Leopard runs only on Macs with Intel chips — that is, Macs sold since 2006. If you have an older Mac, you’re stuck with Leopard forever.

(Techie note: Popular conception has it that the space savings comes from removing all the code required by those earlier chips. But that’s not true, according to Apple. Yes, that code is gone, but new 64-bit code, described below, easily replaces it. No, Apple says that the savings comes from “tightening up the screws,” compressing chunks of the system software and eliminating a huge stash of printer drivers. Now the system downloads printer drivers as needed, on demand.)

As it turns out, Apple programmers could not leave well enough alone. They disobeyed the original “no new features” mantra. As they pored through all the bits of Mac OS X, they kept stopping and fixing little things that had always bugged them, or coming up with neat little ways to make things better. So:

The Mac now adjusts its own clock when you travel, just like a cellphone. The menu bar can now show the date, not just the day of the week. The menu of nearby wireless hot spots now shows the signal strength for each. When you’re running Windows on your Mac, you can now open the files on the Macintosh “side” without having to restart. Icons can now be 512 pixels (several inches) square, turning any desktop window into a light table for photos.

There’s now a Put Back command in the Trash, just as in Windows’ Recycle Bin. You can page through a PDF document or watch a movie right on a file’s icon. When you click a folder icon on the Dock, you can scroll through the pop-up window of its contents, turning a worthless feature into a useful one.

Buggy plug-ins (Flash and so on) no longer crash the Safari Web browser; you just get an empty rectangle where they would have appeared.

There’s an impressive trove of tools for blind Mac users, including one that turns a Mac laptop’s trackpad into a touchable map of the screen; the Mac speaks each onscreen element as you touch it.

There are some bigger-ticket items, too. Movies open up into a gorgeous, frameless playback window with built-in trim handles and a “Send to YouTube” command built right in. You can now record your screen activity as a movie — fantastic for tutorials. The old Services feature has been reborn as powerful commands that appear only when relevant — and you can modify, make up or assign keystrokes to them.

Once a system administrator provides setup details, your company’s Microsoft Exchange address book, e-mail and calendar can show up in the Mac’s own address book, e-mail and calendar programs, right alongside your own personal information. That’s irony for you: the Mac now has Exchange compatibility built in, but Windows itself does not.

There are hundreds more little tweaks. In all, Apple says that more than 90 percent of Leopard’s 1,000 software chunks were revised or polished. Many are listed on Apple's site, but I kept finding more undocumented surprises until the deadline for this column. Just little stuff. Like: When you rename an icon on an alphabetically sorted desktop, it visibly slides into its new alphabetic position so you can see where it went.

Despite all of this, the haters online deride Snow Leopard as a “service pack” — nothing more than a bug-fix/security-patch update like the ones Microsoft periodically releases for Windows.

That’s a pretty uninformed wisecrack. Especially because the biggest changes in Snow Leopard are under the hood, completely invisible, but responsible for some big speed and stability advances.

A big one: Mac OS X and most of its included programs (the desktop, Web browser, calendar and so on) are 64-bit software, a geeky term that, for now, pretty much means “faster.” Other new underlying technologies, called OpenCL and Grand Central Dispatch, are features that software companies can exploit for even greater speed in their new or rewritten programs.

That Snow Leopard’s looks haven’t changed at all, in other words, betrays the enormous changes under its pretty skin. Unfortunately, that fact also explains the number of non-Apple programs that “break” after the installation.

I experienced frustrating glitches in various programs, including Microsoft Word, Flip4Mac, Photoshop CS3, CyberDuck and TextExpander, an abbreviation expander. (Interestingly, Snow Leopard offers its own typing-expander feature, but it works primarily in Apple programs, like TextEdit, Mail, Safari and iChat.) The compatibility list at snowleopard.wikidot.com lists other programs that may have trouble.

Most of these hiccups will go away when software companies update their wares (although Adobe says, “Just upgrade to Photoshop CS4”). Let’s hope that Apple hurries up with its inevitable 10.6.0.1 update, too, to address the occasional Safari crash and cosmetic glitch I experienced, too.

Otherwise, if you’re already running Leopard, paying the $30 for Snow Leopard is a no-brainer. You’ll feel the leap forward in speed polish, and you’ll keep experiencing those “oh, that’s nice” moments for weeks to come.

If you’re running something earlier, the decision isn’t as clear cut; you’ll have to pay $170 and get Snow Leopard with Apple’s creative-software suites — whether you want them or not.

Either way, the big story here isn’t really Snow Leopard. It’s the radical concept of a software update that’s smaller, faster and better — instead of bigger, slower and more bloated. May the rest of the industry take the hint.

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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Laurence Payne - 27 Aug 06:49PM
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:16:26, "Terry Carter"
<morrisslerkote@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

>New York Times, August 27, 2009

>Apple’s Sleek Upgrade
>By DAVID POGUE

....snip....

>(Techie note: Popular conception has it that the space savings comes from removing
>all the code required by those earlier chips. But that’s not true, according
>to Apple. Yes, that code is gone, but new 64-bit code, described below, easily
>replaces it. No, Apple says that the savings comes from “tightening up the screws,?
>compressing chunks of the system software and eliminating a huge stash of printer
>drivers. Now the system downloads printer drivers as needed, on demand.)

This guy's definitely a True Believer, isn't he :-)

But that last bit's interesting. It doesn't particularly matter if
all possible printer drivers live on your hard drive by default. or
live on the Internet. It's ALMOST reasonable to assume everyone now
has Internet access (though it might p**s off a few diehard DAW users
who pride themselves in NEVER connecting.) And at least it will stop
mac people crowing "WE don't have to install drivers! :-)

But what else might be moving towards a "download when needed" model?
$30 for the base system, then all the good stuff sold like iPhone
applications?

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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Phil Gaskill - 27 Aug 08:41PM
> This guy's definitely a True Believer, isn't he :-)

Spoken by the biggest True Believe on this forum, IMHO. . . .

Laurence, do you even know who David Pogue IS? Have you ever read anything by him? Have you ever seen his podcast? If not, I suggest you do a little of each and then report back to us.

Oh, and I've never heard a Mac person "crow" that he/she/it doesn't have to install drivers. (But, that said, I'd say that doing so normally involves a lot less pain than on that "other" platform. But then that's just my Mac True-Believership speaking, one supposes.)

As a matter of fact, Laurence, just how much Mac experience or expertise -- the real kind, not what you make such clever snide comments about here, but for real -- do you have?

Oh, and just for what it's worth, my Mac has 2.23 GB of printer drivers that were automatically installed by the Leopard installer, a total of 6,359 files. I'd call that (a) pretty darn comprehensive and (b) overkill. I think the download-a-printer-driver-on-demand approach sounds like a very good one to me. And I also don't think that this sounds at all like the first step on a slippery slope that would lead to their charging, piecemeal, for everything else like you suggest.

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Phil Gaskill
Sib 6.0.1, PhotoScore 5.5.1, Dolet 3.4, year 2009
Mac Pro 2.66 (Intel), OSX 10.5.8, 4 GB RAM
also, on the same Mac: Win XP SP3 with same versions of Sib, PhotoScore, and Dolet

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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Laurence Payne - 27 Aug 09:35PM
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:41:43, "Phil Gaskill" <pgaskill@mindspring.com>
wrote:

>> This guy's definitely a True Believer, isn't he :-)
>
>Spoken by the biggest True Believe on this forum, IMHO. . . .

Well, I thought a little balance was called for :-)

You can criticise Windows all you like. I may correct you, but I
won't get upset.

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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Phil Gaskill - 27 Aug 10:30PM
> You can criticise Windows all you like.

No, you've misunderstood me. This wasn't about my criticizing Windows: rather, this was about your being snide in your True Believership of Windows and your True Unbelievership of the Mac.

Me? I use both. (Admittedly, the Mac more so; but still, I have plenty of PC and DOS and Windows hours under my belt.) I started out with an IBM PC (2 floppy drives, no hard drive, 256K of RAM) on April 13, 1984. I owned DOS 3.2 (I believe that was the current version at that time); Microsoft Word 1.0; a few other word processors like XyWrite; and, when it came out, Windows 1.0.

When I went to work as an Aldus technical representative in 1988, I was much better educated on, and had much more experience on, the PC. I had about six months' Mac experience, using Word and PageMaker, and I thought the two platforms were roughly equal, but I had a lot more PC background.

However, they hired me as a Mac PageMaker technician. It took me about two weeks of doing that to convince me that the two platforms were *not* equal in terms of ease of use, and this was back in the System 4.2/Finder 6.0 days.

I've never had cause to change my mind about that since then.

But I do NOT put PCs or Windows down like you so snidely do to Macs. I think you need to get a little Mac experience before you say any more of the kind of thing you're so well known here for saying.

You also didn't answer several of my other points or questions. DO you know who David Pogue is? HAVE you ever read anything by him, or seen any of his podcasts? And my main question, which I'm obviously sort of assuming I know the answer to: DO you have any Mac experience or expertise?

If not, I suggest you stop making snide, misguided claims about something you don't know very much, if anything, about.

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Phil Gaskill
Sib 6.0.1, PhotoScore 5.5.1, Dolet 3.4, year 2009
Mac Pro 2.66 (Intel), OSX 10.5.8, 4 GB RAM
also, on the same Mac: Win XP SP3 with same versions of Sib, PhotoScore, and Dolet

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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Laurence Payne - 27 Aug 11:21PM
I attack Apple. You attack *me*. Enough, already.

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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Phil Gaskill - 28 Aug 03:09AM
I don't "attack" you: I protest at the *way* you choose to attack Apple. Why does anybody need to attack anything? There's various kinds of computers; some are better than others in various ways or for various kinds of tasks. You seem unwilling to face up to that.

So, okay. You want to "move on," I guess. I'm not sure that's your call; but okay, I'm tired of the whole thing, so I'll just ignore everything you ever say in the future; I won't read any of your posts from here out; then I won't see anything that I feel the need to protest.

I'll just take this one more opportunity to point out to anyone who happens to read this that you have no basis for the snide things you feel called upon to say about Macs, and no one should take anything you say on the topic seriously.

Good-bye.

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Phil Gaskill
Sib 6.0.1, PhotoScore 5.5.1, Dolet 3.4, year 2009
Mac Pro 2.66 (Intel), OSX 10.5.8, 4 GB RAM
also, on the same Mac: Win XP SP3 with same versions of Sib, PhotoScore, and Dolet

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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Steve Horn - 28 Aug 04:25AM
...so I'll just ignore everything you ever say in the future...

Easier said than done from my experience but a good approach, nonetheless.

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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Daniel Spreadbury - 28 Aug 02:42PM
Just in case anybody is subscribed to email notifications of new posts in this thread: we have today released an update that provides Snow Leopard compatibility with Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. Details here:

http://www4.sibelius.com/cgi-bin/helpcenter/chat/chat.pl?com=thread&start=457810&groupid=3&

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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Richard Vitale - 03 Sep 06:50PM (edited 04 Sep 06:55AM)
Thanks for the heads up!!!

I'm interested in reading about Snow Leopard's compatibility with Sibelius.

Though I will wait for 10.6.1 for safety's sake.

Thank you,

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Richie Vitale-Sib 6.0 User
iMac 2.66 Ghz Intel/OS 10.5.8
2 GB RAM
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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Terry Carter, Rural Michigan USA - 06 Sep 09:46PM (edited 06 Sep 09:51PM)
This post refers directly to the article in my previous above. Read that one first if you haven't already. It's about Snow Leopard. This post and this article is about objectivity.

- Terry


New York Times, September 6, 2009

HE WORK FOR THE TIMES TOO
By CLARK HOYT
The Public Editor

DAVID POGUE, the popular technology columnist, is a high-energy, one-man multimedia conglomerate.

In addition to his weekly “State of the Art” column in The Times, and his blog and videos on the newspaper’s Web site, and his weekly e-mail newsletter, he appears regularly on “CBS News Sunday Morning,” CNBC and NPR. He also entertains lecture audiences with satirical ditties on the piano — he once aspired to be a Broadway composer — while informing them about the latest gadgets. You can even take a Geek Cruise to Bermuda with him next spring. Finally, Pogue originated “The Missing Manual” series of help books for the technologically challenged like me, who otherwise would never figure out how to get the most out of something like an iPhone.

His multiple interests and loyalties raise interesting ethical issues in this new age when individual journalists can become brands of their own, stars who seem to transcend the old rules that sharply limited outside activity and demanded an overriding obligation to The Times and its readers.

Two Thursdays ago, two of Pogue’s interests seemed to collide. In his Times column, he gave a glowing review to Snow Leopard, Apple’s new operating system for Macs. At the same time, he was writing a “Missing Manual” on Snow Leopard — two, actually — already available for pre-order on Amazon. If you are now running Leopard on your Mac, Pogue wrote in the review, paying the $30 to replace it with Snow Leopard “is a no-brainer.”

It is no intended knock on Pogue’s integrity — he has panned Apple products and praised those of competitors — to point out that the review put him in the kind of conflict-of-interest situation that The Times regularly calls others to account for: doctors with a financial interest in the drugs they recommend, or a presidential adviser whose clients have a direct interest in certain legislation. In this case, the better Snow Leopard sells, presumably the better Pogue’s “Missing Manual” on how to use it will sell.

I presented the facts to three ethicists: Kelly McBride at the Poynter Institute, a journalism training center in Florida; Bob Steele, a professor at DePauw University and a scholar at Poynter; and Stephen Ward, director of the Center for Journalism Ethics at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. All agreed that Pogue and The Times were facing a clear conflict of interest.

They didn’t necessarily agree on how to resolve it. McBride said the paper should not deprive readers of Pogue’s expertise, but she and Ward said there should be rigorous oversight and full disclosure to readers about his interests. Steele said disclosure doesn’t make the problem go away, and it would be better if Pogue did not review products for which he has written manuals.

All agreed that The Times and other news organizations are going to face more of these situations as journalists worried about the economic health of their employers seek outside sources of income and as the companies turn to independent contractors, like Pogue, for more of their content.

Pogue is by no means the only Times writer with other interests. Thomas Friedman commands $75,000 for a speech, and his books are blockbusters. Another Op-Ed columnist, Frank Rich, is a consultant helping HBO develop new programming. A. O. Scott, the film critic, is about to become co-host of “At the Movies,” produced by ABC Media Productions. Mark Bittman, The Minimalist, an independent contractor like Pogue, writes cookbooks and appears on PBS. John Harwood, who writes from Washington, is CNBC’s chief Washington correspondent.

In another era, many of these activities would have been frowned on as diluting the Times brand and draining energy from the paper. Now, with what seems a mixture of resignation and sensed opportunity, editors say The Times can be enhanced by all the outside activity. “We see their exposure in a quality venue as good promotion of The Times,” said Bill Keller, the executive editor.

But it creates tricky ethical terrain. No Times journalist is in quite the same position as Pogue — reviewing products and simultaneously writing guides to them. He said he makes more money from the books than from The Times.

Pogue and his editors said they talk frequently about how to deal with his varied interests, and the editors praised him as a straight shooter who has developed a large following precisely because of his honest assessments of hardware and software. Pogue said the conflict in his case was “kind of an imaginative cause and effect. I can’t imagine someone saying: ‘This is a good product. I’ll buy the reviewer’s book.’ ” He pointed out that he savaged Apple’s iMovie ’08 in his Times blog, even as he was writing a “Missing Manual” for it.

Keller said that for Pogue and others like him, “their jobs at The Times and their other revenue streams are dependent on their credibility. If they do anything that undermines or diminishes their credibility, they lose everything.” But, as the paper’s ethics guidelines stress repeatedly, appearances count, and Pogue has taken an occasional drubbing on the Internet over his conflict.

When the paper signed Pogue in 2000, said William Schmidt, a deputy managing editor, it allowed him to continue the “Missing Manuals.” Editors anticipated that the books would be mainly about software and that Pogue would be reviewing hardware, but that distinction disappeared. Editors also may not have realized how quickly the manuals would be produced after the introduction of a new product, Schmidt said.

Craig Whitney, the standards editor, said Pogue and The Times “have tried to manage the conflict of interest, and I think successfully, but I acknowledge that it still exists. Could we do something more to minimize it? I would say yes.”

Last Thursday, The Times did. Larry Ingrassia, the business editor, said that, prompted by my questions, editors decided to make disclosures to readers regarding Pogue’s outside activities. On his Times Topics page online, Pogue posted a statement of ethics, saying manufacturers have no involvement in his manuals and that from now on, if he is writing a book about a product he is reviewing, he will disclose it to readers. It says his personal investments are in a blind trust to avoid any question of reviewing products in which he has a direct financial interest. A disclosure was appended to the Snow Leopard column online.

These seem like the right steps. No option was easy. The old-school way — telling Pogue to give up the manuals or take a hike — was not realistic. Telling him he could not review products for which he has written a manual would, as McBride said, deny readers his expertise.

It was good that The Times addressed the issue now. Windows 7 is being released within a month. Pogue is planning to review it. The “Missing Manual” is already for sale.

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Re: Sibelius 6 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Posted by Rob Tuley - 06 Sep 10:47PM (edited 06 Sep 10:54PM)
> This post and this article is about objectivity...

... which appears to be a longwinded statement of the First Law of Expert Advice: "Never ask a barber if you need a haircut".

And never believe anything you read in a newspaper, either.

FWIW, some UK papers handle this sort of situation in a very simple way: at the end of the article there is an editorial comment like "The author's book 'Blah Blah Blah' is now available/will be published on [insert date]". Readers can then make up their own minds.

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Rob

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