'Irritating layout mark'

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Irritating layout mark - Adrian Drover, 17 Sep 12:32PM
     Re: Irritating layout mark - Laurence Payne, 17 Sep 01:29PM
         Re: Irritating layout mark - Adrian Drover, 17 Sep 02:30PM
             Re: Irritating layout mark - Laurence Payne, 17 Sep 09:52PM
                 Re: Irritating layout mark - Adrian Drover, 18 Sep 08:01AM
                     Re: Irritating layout mark - Bob Zawalich, 18 Sep 08:25PM
                         Re: Irritating layout mark - Adrian Drover, 19 Sep 09:37AM
                             Re: Irritating layout mark - Justin at Sibelius, 16 Nov 07:54PM
                                 Re: Irritating layout mark - Adrian Drover, 17 Nov 08:39AM

Irritating layout mark
Posted by Adrian Drover - 17 Sep 12:32PM
What does this mark mean (see attached & highlighted)? I have auto breaks switched off both in Layout and in Part Appearance. How can I delete or hide it. I find it most irritating.

Also request (if possible). When I select a position across staves to enter an expression mark, it doesn't currently include instruments (eg. drums) which have bar repeats.
Attachment Layout mark.PNG.png (17K)
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Re: Irritating layout mark
Posted by Laurence Payne - 17 Sep 01:29PM (edited 17 Sep 01:29PM)
That appears to be a 'Suppressed auto page break'. Something in your Auto Breaks settings has generated a page break, but you've deleted it.


Sibelius seems to treat bar repeats as a special type of whole bar rest. So it places the dynamic on the first note AFTER the bar repeats, if the selected passage extends that far. Might be a tricky behaviour to change, but it's always worth asking!
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Re: Irritating layout mark
Posted by Adrian Drover - 17 Sep 02:30PM (edited 17 Sep 02:31PM)
Yes, Laurence, but what causes it to appear when auto breaks are switched off?

PS. Just copied chord symbols from guitar to piano and ended up with 658 empty text strings which needed to be deleted because, being invisible, they're always in the way of "empty space" editing. Forgive me, I'm having a Victor Meldrew moment today. "I don't belieeeeeve it".
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Re: Irritating layout mark
Posted by Laurence Payne - 17 Sep 09:52PM
There's a downloadable plugin 'Delete empty text strings'.

But as you know the count (658) so accurately, I guess you used it!
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Re: Irritating layout mark
Posted by Adrian Drover - 18 Sep 08:01AM
Yes, this is one of Bob Z's most useful plugins for me.
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Re: Irritating layout mark
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 18 Sep 08:25PM
I get the empty text strings sometimes, possibly when copying chord symbols. I have also found the plugin to be useful. I wish this would be fixed, though...

IMHO there should never be empty text strings in a score.

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Re: Irritating layout mark
Posted by Adrian Drover - 19 Sep 09:37AM (edited 19 Sep 09:45AM)
I don't know if this happens with the new chord symbols (I only use legacy). I first thought that the empty text strings were a product of the space bar when advancing the caret to the next chord change, but that's not the case because they are not present in the source chords. When copy-pasting, they only appear on the destination instrument staff on the beats between each chord change. Also, they can only be seen when viewing handles or filtering chord symbols.
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Re: Irritating layout mark
Posted by Justin at Sibelius - 16 Nov 07:54PM
Looked into this and it's a silly little bug. Logging it to fix.

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Re: Irritating layout mark
Posted by Adrian Drover - 17 Nov 08:39AM
Thank you, Santa ;-)
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Irritating layout mark - Adrian Drover, 17 Sep 12:32PM
     Re: Irritating layout mark - Laurence Payne, 17 Sep 01:29PM
         Re: Irritating layout mark - Adrian Drover, 17 Sep 02:30PM
             Re: Irritating layout mark - Laurence Payne, 17 Sep 09:52PM
                 Re: Irritating layout mark - Adrian Drover, 18 Sep 08:01AM
                     Re: Irritating layout mark - Bob Zawalich, 18 Sep 08:25PM
                         Re: Irritating layout mark - Adrian Drover, 19 Sep 09:37AM
                             Re: Irritating layout mark - Justin at Sibelius, 16 Nov 07:54PM
                                 Re: Irritating layout mark - Adrian Drover, 17 Nov 08:39AM