'June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducing data-driven AI model for harmonic analysis on desktop'

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June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducing da... - Sam at Sibelius, 22 Jun 06:04PM
     Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Peter Roos, 22 Jun 07:05PM
         Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Patrick O'Keefe, 22 Jun 08:09PM
             Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Robin Walker, 22 Jun 08:20PM
                 Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Laurence Payne, 22 Jun 10:30PM
                     Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Cygnus, 23 Jun 03:27AM
                         Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Adrian Drover, 23 Jun 06:50AM
                             Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Kai Struck, 23 Jun 10:20AM
                             Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Sam at Sibelius, 23 Jun 10:35AM
                                 Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Philip Woodroffe, 23 Jun 04:00PM
                                     Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Mike Lyons, 24 Jun 06:17AM
                                         Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Adrian Drover, 25 Jun 12:02PM

June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducing data-driven AI model for harmonic analysis on desktop
Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 22 Jun 06:04PM
Hi All,

We're incredibly excited to announce the immediate release of Sibelius 2023.6, our June update and our 7th feature release in the last 12 months.

In this release, you can expect to see:

• Brand new AI powered data-driven workflows for harmonic analysis to assist chord symbol entry
• Chord symbols are now suggested in real-time based on our brand new AI model
• Use your familiar shortcuts to enter chord symbols and remain in complete control
• And take advantage of many enhancements, improvements, and fixes across the app

You can read all about how the features work in my blog, here: https://www.avid.com/resource-center/whats-new-in-sibelius-june-2023

For those interested in how it was put together and what's happening under the hood, I encourage you to read the technical overview to: https://www.avid.com/resource-center/data-driven-workflows-within-sibelius

The new AI feature is only available on Windows and Mac, although the update to the mobile app contains a number of useful improvements too.

You can download the updates from your account at https://my.avid.com/products.

Enjoy!

Sam and the Sibelius team

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Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducing data-driven AI model for harmonic analysis on desktop
Posted by Peter Roos - 22 Jun 07:05PM
Skynet is here! Soon humans will be obsolete.



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Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducing data-driven AI model for harmonic analysis on desktop
Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 22 Jun 08:09PM
Some of us have already been obsolete for quite a while.

The phrase "brand new AI powered data-driven workflows for harmonic analysis" sounds like it was built by a buzz-word generator (which is AI, I guess). I wonder if this this brand new AI is just some hard-coded logic or if there is data harvesting process collecting real-time information about our composing styles (either individually or collectively) and sending the data to Avid. If the former, it's a bit disingenuous to call it AI; if the latter, there had better be some way to turn off that data collection.

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Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducing data-driven AI model for harmonic analysis on desktop
Posted by Robin Walker - 22 Jun 08:20PM
> The phrase "brand new AI powered data-driven workflows for harmonic analysis" sounds like it was built by a buzz-word
> generator (which is AI, I guess). I wonder if this this brand new AI is just some hard-coded logic or if there is data
> harvesting process collecting real-time information about our composing styles (either individually or collectively) and
> sending the data to Avid. If the former, it's a bit disingenuous to call it AI; if the latter, there had better be
> some way to turn off that data collection.

If you read the release notes you will find that both your suppositions are false.

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Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducing data-driven AI model for harmonic analysis on desktop
Posted by Laurence Payne - 22 Jun 10:30PM
Anyone compared the new chord-guessing with the old 'Add chord symbols' plugin yet?
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Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducing data-driven AI model for harmonic analysis on desktop
Posted by Cygnus - 23 Jun 03:27AM
> Anyone compared the new chord-guessing with the old 'Add chord symbols' plugin yet?

I have. Basically, the AI can't do sus2, sus4, add2 or 9 etc. It's meat and potatoes. The Add Chord Symbols is far more accurate.

I think there is hope, and will be useful. I think the use will be suggesting alternate chords that might be interesting and might help those without a jazz background. The whole "confidence" thing is not there yet. There are simple chords and the confidence level is 'high' and it's just not the right chord. Hopefully it will keep improving.


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Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducing data-driven AI model for harmonic analysis on desktop
Posted by Adrian Drover - 23 Jun 06:50AM
I hope legacy is still available.
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Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducing data-driven AI model for harmonic analysis on desktop
Posted by Kai Struck - 23 Jun 10:20AM
I can't find the "Add Chord Symbols"-plugin. And also not "Add simple harmony" (that was mentioned in a another thread).
Where is it?

I like the new AI-powered system, it's nice to have them when adding chord symbols.
2 suggestions though:
- I would like to have this also for single melody note based on the current key signature.
- skipping a proposal should be easier. It shouldn't require pressing "del" then space but perhaps only ctrl-space or a better idea.

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Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducing data-driven AI model for harmonic analysis on desktop
Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 23 Jun 10:35AM
Thanks for trying it out. The original plugin is not obsolete, as it knows about more types of chords, but doesn't have the same awareness to the musical context, and it needs chords to be written out for it to pick anything up that's usable. We expect the plugin to get less usage over time though as we improve the model.

See attached a comparison showing the new model being able to pick up the harmony of the music, compared to the plugin that doesn't (when running the plugin on the lower passage, I had to untick "Only write chords with at least 3 distinct notes").

Adrian - yes, you can continue to use the legacy chord symbol input. Just choose this in File > Preferences > Other.

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Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducing data-driven AI model for harmonic analysis on desktop
Posted by Philip Woodroffe - 23 Jun 04:00PM
I cant see what the benefit is of this at all, surely if you know what you are doing you wont need suggestions and you can just as easily just select the chord and be done with it. if you dont know what your doing the suggestion will be no help whatsoever.

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Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducing data-driven AI model for harmonic analysis on desktop
Posted by Mike Lyons - 24 Jun 06:17AM
You can't use the AI with legacy input. It only works with sibelius' standard chord input.

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Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducing data-driven AI model for harmonic analysis on desktop
Posted by Adrian Drover - 25 Jun 12:02PM (edited 25 Jun 12:07PM)
Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 23 Jun 10:35
Adrian - yes, you can continue to use the legacy chord symbol input. Just choose this in File > Preferences > Other.
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Thanx, Sam, but I don't need to get it from Preferences. I assigned Ctrl/K many years ago to take me direct to Text Style Chord Symbols which I have edited to my liking. Have used nothing else since Sib7-Acorn, and gives me everything I need except for back editing. That is an improvement I would dearly love to see from Avid.

I'm afraid AI chord symbol guessing is no use to me. I normally have the chords in my mind before I start to write the notes.

Posted by Mike Lyons - 24 Jun 06:17
You can't use the AI with legacy input. It only works with sibelius' standard chord input..
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I'm not going to lose any sleep over that, then ;-)
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June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducing da... - Sam at Sibelius, 22 Jun 06:04PM
     Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Peter Roos, 22 Jun 07:05PM
         Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Patrick O'Keefe, 22 Jun 08:09PM
             Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Robin Walker, 22 Jun 08:20PM
                 Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Laurence Payne, 22 Jun 10:30PM
                     Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Cygnus, 23 Jun 03:27AM
                         Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Adrian Drover, 23 Jun 06:50AM
                             Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Kai Struck, 23 Jun 10:20AM
                             Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Sam at Sibelius, 23 Jun 10:35AM
                                 Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Philip Woodroffe, 23 Jun 04:00PM
                                     Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Mike Lyons, 24 Jun 06:17AM
                                         Re: June 2023 Release Now Available! Introducin... - Adrian Drover, 25 Jun 12:02PM