'Problm appending mms'

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Problm appending mms - vslmusic, 14 Mar 11:48AM
     Re: Problm appending mms - Robin Walker, 14 Mar 11:54AM
         Re: Problm appending mms - Laurence Payne, 14 Mar 12:02PM
             Re: Problm appending mms - vslmusic, 14 Mar 02:21PM
                 Re: Problm appending mms - vslmusic, 14 Mar 02:32PM

Problm appending mms
Posted by vslmusic - 14 Mar 11:48AM
Just upgraded to '23 Sib, and find that one of my most efficient working methods has been taken away. Until this month I could append mms from a file needing re-orchestration and/or changes in formatting by creating a single staff temp file of the old version and appending the 'single line' mms into a one-empty-bar correctly organized/formatted template. This transferred all the system text, key and time changes and however hundreds of bars in only a very few steps. After that I could quickly transfer individual lines from the old score to their often different (or completely new) place in the expanded template file, and that was much faster than adding/subtracting staves in each old file, achieving (insufficient) reformatting by importing a house style, and then moving things around internally (when such moves would often result in overwriting conflicts.) Now it is impossible to append anything unless the staff count is the same for both files.
An alternative of importing those mms from one line of the old file into the template is also impossible if there are any time sig changes in that original file.
Can anyone explain why the fastest thing I can do now is manually add an accurate number of bars, and also manually make sure that I have all the time changes (and other elements) in the right place before transferring any input?
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Re: Problm appending mms
Posted by Robin Walker - 14 Mar 11:54AM (edited 14 Mar 12:43PM)
What is "mms"??

It is unclear what you are trying to do. Could you attach illustrations (in PNG format) illustrating what you wish to do?

I cannot think of anything that has changed in this area.
What version number of Sibelius did you have previous to the upgrade?
Are you on macOS or on Windows?

By what means (every mouse click, every keypress) did you do this previously?

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Re: Problm appending mms
Posted by Laurence Payne - 14 Mar 12:02PM
Your question is unclear.

But it sounds like there may be confusion between a system selection (which includes time signature changes and other structure) and a passage selection (which just includes the notes).
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Re: Problm appending mms
Posted by vslmusic - 14 Mar 02:21PM
'mms' is an abbreviation for measures. Since we are essentially appending or importing an entire movement or opera scene into a template with a revised instrumentation, layout and formatting, illustrations are basically useless.
Off the top of my head, it feels like reformatting an existing file (adding/subtracting/reorganizing staves) importing a house style, etc... requires about double the routine process work compared to appending a single line version of the original into a 'single empty bar' template, and then using regular alt-click methods to move input from individual staves in the original to where they are supposed to go in the revision. In addition, doing that reorganization of input in the original file will raise time consuming overwriting issues that don't exist copying into a different file. Hope that makes sense.
I was using the December '22 version, and could append with the only issue being a warning popup that my source was only one staff and would go into the top line of the template. (Click and done.)
Theoretically, I can get around this issue by importing instead of appending, but '23 update only allows this if there are no time sig changes in the imported material.
Anyuone care to explain, what happened to this work flow?
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Re: Problm appending mms
Posted by vslmusic - 14 Mar 02:32PM
Laurence Payne!!! Absolutely correct. Thanks loads!
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Problm appending mms - vslmusic, 14 Mar 11:48AM
     Re: Problm appending mms - Robin Walker, 14 Mar 11:54AM
         Re: Problm appending mms - Laurence Payne, 14 Mar 12:02PM
             Re: Problm appending mms - vslmusic, 14 Mar 02:21PM
                 Re: Problm appending mms - vslmusic, 14 Mar 02:32PM