'Move a note or selection of notes (blue marked field) up or down to an adjacent staff, leaving the original staff empty?'

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Move a note or selection of notes (blue marked ... - Aleksander Waaktaar, 06 Mar 10:28AM
     Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue mar... - Robin Walker, 06 Mar 10:57AM
         Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue mar... - Aleksander Waaktaar, 06 Mar 11:27AM
     Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue mar... - Adrian Drover, 06 Mar 11:07AM
         Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue mar... - Aleksander Waaktaar, 06 Mar 11:32AM
             Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue mar... - Adrian Drover, 06 Mar 11:47AM
                 Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue mar... - Laurence Payne, 06 Mar 03:35PM
                     Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue mar... - Aleksander Waaktaar, 06 Mar 04:07PM
                         Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue mar... - Bob Zawalich, 06 Mar 11:25PM
                             Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue mar... - Aleksander Waaktaar, 07 Mar 11:50AM
                                 Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue mar... - Aleksander Waaktaar, 15 Mar 11:33AM

Move a note or selection of notes (blue marked field) up or down to an adjacent staff, leaving the original staff empty?
Posted by Aleksander Waaktaar - 06 Mar 10:28AM (edited 06 Mar 10:30AM)
Hello!

I wonder if anyone knows of a shortcut/command to move a note or selection of notes (blue marked field) up or down to an adjacent staff, leaving the original staff empty? This is possible in Dorico, but I have not found a way to do it in Sibelius. I suspect that this might be very easy, but I haven't found out how to do it.

Appreciate the help!

Best,
Aleksander Waaktaar

PS: I also posted this on https://www.sibeliusforum.com/

Aleksander Waaktaar
Sibelius Ultimate 2023.2, Note Performer 3
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Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue marked field) up or down to an adjacent staff, leaving the original staff empty?
Posted by Robin Walker - 06 Mar 10:57AM (edited 06 Mar 10:58AM)
This can be done in Sibelius if the adjacent staves in question belong to the same multi-staff instrument. It cannot be done between staves of different instruments.

The short-cut is Ctrl-Shift-uparrow/downarrow (Windows) or Command-Shift-uparrow/downarrow (macOS).

See the Sibelius Reference, section "4.16 Beam Positions", sub-section "Cross-staff beams".

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Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue marked field) up or down to an adjacent staff, leaving the original staff empty?
Posted by Aleksander Waaktaar - 06 Mar 11:27AM (edited 06 Mar 11:33AM)

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Hi! I wish to do it with different instruments, but thanks anyways!

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Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue marked field) up or down to an adjacent staff, leaving the original staff empty?
Posted by Adrian Drover - 06 Mar 11:07AM (edited 06 Mar 11:19AM)
ctrl/x on the selected source, then ctrl/v on the selected destination.

Or Select source passage, then ctrl/klik on destination staff, then plugin 'Exchange Staff Contents'. I have Alt/x configured to this function, but I don't remember if that is default or of my own shortcut feature set making.

PS. The source and destination staves don't need to be adjacent. If you have a lot to do, check 'Don't show this dialog again this session'.
See attached.
Attachment exchange contents.PNG.png (107K)
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Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue marked field) up or down to an adjacent staff, leaving the original staff empty?
Posted by Aleksander Waaktaar - 06 Mar 11:32AM (edited 06 Mar 11:33AM)
Thanks for your reply! I use both of the methods you describe all the time and they both work great, but I wonder if it's possible to do this specific task with less steps. Basicly just select the area I want to move and hit the shortcut, and then it's moved up or down a staff. Hit it again if I want to move it further, and so on.

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Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue marked field) up or down to an adjacent staff, leaving the original staff empty?
Posted by Adrian Drover - 06 Mar 11:47AM
See my edited reply above. I frequently use this plugin. I just need to select source and destination, then hit my own configured shortcut, alt/x.
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Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue marked field) up or down to an adjacent staff, leaving the original staff empty?
Posted by Laurence Payne - 06 Mar 03:35PM (edited 06 Mar 07:07PM)
However this is done, you'll have to select the source and destination, and perform some sort of command.

Select source, Cut (which implies Copy to clipboard), Select destination, Paste.

Could it be any more simple?
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Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue marked field) up or down to an adjacent staff, leaving the original staff empty?
Posted by Aleksander Waaktaar - 06 Mar 04:07PM
I agree that it is an efficient method, and "exchange staff contents" is an integral part of my workflow, but I wonder if there is a way to do exactly what I asked in post.

Here is a link that demonstrates how it works in Dorico: https://blog.dorico.com/2018/10/tip-move-or-duplicate-music-to-the-staff-above-or-below/

If you have your shortcut ready then all you have to do is select source, and press your shortcut, and it will move the selection up/down a staff without having to specify destination.
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Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue marked field) up or down to an adjacent staff, leaving the original staff empty?
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 06 Mar 11:25PM (edited 06 Mar 11:28PM)
If you are willing to do a bit of work you can create a plugin to do these things in the plugin Execute Commands. You could also write a plugin from scratch, but this mechanism requires no ManuScript coding.

Here is a set of commands that will work for Move Selection Down One Staff:

ExitIfSelection_NotPassage_cu(A passage selection is required. This plugin will now exit.)
ExitIfSelection_Needs_OneStaff_cu(The selection must include only a single staff. This plugin will now exit.)
ExitIfSelection_Avoid_BottomStaff_cu(The selection may not include the bottom staff in the score. This plugin will now exit.)
Cut_cu()
ExtendSelection_Down_cu()
ContractSelection_Down_cu()
Paste_cu()

The first 3 instructions ensure that you have a passage selection that is only a single staff, and that the staff is not the bottom staff in the score. If any of these fail, the macro/plugin will give a message and stop. Technically you don't need these Exit commands but bad things will happen if the conditions are not met.

Now that you know you have a valid selection, Cut_cu will cut the selection. (Change Cut_cu to Copy _cu if you want to copy rather than move.
ExtendSelection_Down_cu() extends the section one staff down.
ContractSelection_Down_cu() takes the top staff out of the selection, so that now only the staff below the original staff is selected.
Paste_cu pastes what was previously cut.


Move Selection Up One Staff is basically the same code except that it rejects the top staff as a selection and it extends up and contracts up so that only the staff above is selected:

ExitIfSelection_NotPassage_cu(A passage selection is required. This plugin will now exit.)
ExitIfSelection_Needs_OneStaff_cu(The selection must include only a single staff. This plugin will now exit.)
ExitIfSelection_Avoid_TopStaff_cu(The selection may not include the top staff in the score. This plugin will now exit.)
Cut_cu()
ExtendSelection_Up_cu()
ContractSelection_Up_cu()
Paste_cu()


You can save the instructions in Execute Commands as a macro file which can be run with the Run Command Macros plugin, or use them to generate a new plugin, to which you can assign shortcuts.

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Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue marked field) up or down to an adjacent staff, leaving the original staff empty?
Posted by Aleksander Waaktaar - 07 Mar 11:50AM
Thanks for your reply, Bob!

I've been meaning to check out Execute Commands for a while, and now I will! I am not skilled enough to write plugins from scratch, but I will try the method you describe above.

I also want to thank you for all your amazing work with the plugins you have created - they are truly huge time savers, and I don't know what I would do without them!

Best,
Aleksander Waaktaar

Aleksander Waaktaar
Sibelius Ultimate 2023.2, Note Performer 3
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Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue marked field) up or down to an adjacent staff, leaving the original staff empty?
Posted by Aleksander Waaktaar - 15 Mar 11:33AM
I tried your method, Bob, and it worked perfectly, and was very easy to do. Thanks a lot again, it now works exactly as I want it to!

Best,
Aleksander
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Move a note or selection of notes (blue marked ... - Aleksander Waaktaar, 06 Mar 10:28AM
     Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue mar... - Robin Walker, 06 Mar 10:57AM
         Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue mar... - Aleksander Waaktaar, 06 Mar 11:27AM
     Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue mar... - Adrian Drover, 06 Mar 11:07AM
         Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue mar... - Aleksander Waaktaar, 06 Mar 11:32AM
             Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue mar... - Adrian Drover, 06 Mar 11:47AM
                 Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue mar... - Laurence Payne, 06 Mar 03:35PM
                     Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue mar... - Aleksander Waaktaar, 06 Mar 04:07PM
                         Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue mar... - Bob Zawalich, 06 Mar 11:25PM
                             Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue mar... - Aleksander Waaktaar, 07 Mar 11:50AM
                                 Re: Move a note or selection of notes (blue mar... - Aleksander Waaktaar, 15 Mar 11:33AM