'Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi'

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Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi - Patrick O'Keefe, 17 Oct 06:31PM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi - Adrian Drover, 18 Oct 08:51AM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi - Mike Lyons, 18 Oct 10:53AM
         Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi - Adrian Drover, 18 Oct 12:55PM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi - Mike Lyons, 18 Oct 02:50PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi - Patrick O'Keefe, 18 Oct 04:35PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi - Per Anders Wicklund, 18 Oct 04:51PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi - Adrian Drover, 18 Oct 07:28PM

Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi
Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 17 Oct 06:31PM
What does NP do when MIDI control c104 has been set on a string staff and divisi is specified. (Since divisi is not in the playback dictionary, I assume this question applies to any instrument that is suddenly playing two notes.) If, for instance, "c104,4" has been set and sudenly two notes are being played, does each get (a simulation of) 4 players or does it split 2 & 2? Does it matter if both notes are in a single voice vs 2 voices?

If there are two voices, can a different c104 be specified on each?

And finally, the doc defines c104 for values 2-8 but I hear a difference between c104,2 and c104,1. Is c104,1 functional but not documented, or do I have an over-active imagination? If c104,1 is functional, is it the same as specifying a solo instrument? (My impression: it is not.)

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Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi
Posted by Adrian Drover - 18 Oct 08:51AM (edited 18 Oct 08:55AM)
As far as I understand, every instrument has a maximum of 8 players. In the case of strings, each section (vln.1, vln.2, va, vc, cb) has a default number of players, 8 for vln.1, decreasing to the other sections, tho' I don't remember the exact numbers. In divisi, the numbers are shared between notes. There was a mail on this forum some time ago on how to get more than 8 players per part, (using hidden staves?), useful considering that major orchestras have up to 16 first violins. My ears are not good enough to determine if this actually works.
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Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi
Posted by Mike Lyons - 18 Oct 10:53AM

> And finally, the doc defines c104 for values 2-8 but I hear a difference between c104,2 and c104,1. Is c104,1 functional but not documented, or do I have an over-active imagination? If c104,1 is functional, is it the same as specifying a solo instrument? (My impression: it is not.)

The solo instrument in the instrument list uses a completely different sound than sepecifying C104,1. IIRC, the C104 uses a 'Section player' which does not have the more soloistic colouration of the 'solo player'. C104,1 is functional. I use it a lot on brass band scores and it does work as you would expect.



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Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi
Posted by Adrian Drover - 18 Oct 12:55PM
Are you sure about that, Mike? I may be wrong, but I'm sure I've read somewhere that with NP a chorus of 8 violins is made up of 8 solo violins.
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Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi
Posted by Mike Lyons - 18 Oct 02:50PM (edited 18 Oct 02:50PM)
The 8 violins are 'section players' - or at least the sound is quite different than the soloists (which I use more in chamber music).

The attached shows the diff. Both Mixer channers are at teh default, auto setting. there's a marked difference in sound between the solo violin and the single player on the lower staff - and it's not just volume.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi
Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 18 Oct 04:35PM
All of that is as I hoped (although c104,1 is not documented). But the real meat of my question was the part about divisi and/or voices. If I've got a small orchestra with c104,5 on the first violins and suddenly specify 2 notes (let's say voices 1 & 2) does the c104,5 get applied to both voices (effectively doubling the size of the section), does it get applied just to voice 1 (with voice 2 getting the default size), or does each voice get 2.5 instruments?

If the 2nd option is correct, can I apply different c104s to different voices?

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Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi
Posted by Per Anders Wicklund - 18 Oct 04:51PM
With regard as to why 8 is the max in NP, I have a memory of reading that the developer after extensive testing concluded that there was virtually no difference when he used internal versions with larger string sections.
I have spent a lot of time tweaking the mixer-settings, the effects of dynamics and the size of string settings. Most of my sound-files are produced with 7-4-4-4-3 string players, except for most pre-1860s dance music, where I typically use 5-2-2-2-2.
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Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi
Posted by Adrian Drover - 18 Oct 07:28PM
Making allowances for the poor state of my aging ears, Mike, the only difference I can hear between your solo violin and single section player is in volume. When I mark the former p and leave the latter at mf, they both sound very much alike in volume, timbre and style.
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Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi - Patrick O'Keefe, 17 Oct 06:31PM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi - Adrian Drover, 18 Oct 08:51AM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi - Mike Lyons, 18 Oct 10:53AM
         Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi - Adrian Drover, 18 Oct 12:55PM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi - Mike Lyons, 18 Oct 02:50PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi - Patrick O'Keefe, 18 Oct 04:35PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi - Per Anders Wicklund, 18 Oct 04:51PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.5: NotePerformer, c104, strings divisi - Adrian Drover, 18 Oct 07:28PM