'2021.2 tablature note input issue'

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2021.2 tablature note input issue - Denny, 10 Apr 08:06AM
     Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Robin Walker, 10 Apr 12:30PM
         Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Denny, 10 Apr 01:45PM
             Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Robin Walker, 10 Apr 02:38PM
                 Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Denny, 10 Apr 02:58PM
                     Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Bob Zawalich, 11 Apr 02:53PM
                         Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Laurence Payne, 11 Apr 03:03PM
                             Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Bob Zawalich, 11 Apr 09:06PM
                                 Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Laurence Payne, 11 Apr 09:55PM
                                     Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Bob Zawalich, 12 Apr 01:23AM
                                         Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Laurence Payne, 12 Apr 01:52AM
                                             Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Denny, 12 Apr 05:42AM
                                                 Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Laurence Payne, 12 Apr 10:16AM

2021.2 tablature note input issue
Posted by Denny - 10 Apr 08:06AM
I still use 7.1.3 but am currently evaluating Sibelis Ultimate 2021.2.

I write for electric guitar so I use notation staves in conjunction with tablature staves. I enter the notes into the tablature stave and then copy the music into the notation stave, rather than the other way around, so I dont have to manually adjust the fingering. However, there is an issue with this in 2021.2: Sibelius enters the wrong fret numbers.

After entering a fret number on a string (e.g. 2), entering another fret number for the next note (e.g. 3) will result in Sibelius putting in "23". It always adds (as the first digit of the new input) the number that was entered previously.This now means, that I have to type in every note twice. The documentation on this subject has not changed since v7 but the behavior has, so I assume this is bug.

Can anyone else confirm this? Is there a way to turn this off?
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Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue
Posted by Robin Walker - 10 Apr 12:30PM
I cannot reproduce this on 2012.2. I have never heard of anyone else reporting this either.

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Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue
Posted by Denny - 10 Apr 01:45PM
Thanks for checking, Robin.

Just to be sure, I uninstalled 2021.2 and installed it again. Then without changing any settings I created an electric guitar notation stave a one electric guitar tab stave (no rhythm). Then I started typing a D chord into the tab like so:

First note:
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--3--
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Then on to the g string to type a 2, then this appears:

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--3--
--32--
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Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue
Posted by Robin Walker - 10 Apr 02:38PM
I cannot reproduce this.

Maybe this is not a Sibelius issue.
Is this on macOS or on Windows?
Can you try a different physical keyboard?
Do you have any third-party utilities installed that intercept keyboard input?

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Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue
Posted by Denny - 10 Apr 02:58PM
This is on Windows 10. I just tried with another keyboard - same result.

I have nothing installed that could explain this (that I kow of, anyways). Also, if this were a problem outside of Sibelius I'd expect my installation of Sibelius 7 to be affected as well. But that works as expected. Very strange.
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Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 11 Apr 02:53PM (edited 11 Apr 02:53PM)
Like Robin, I cannot reproduce this problem either. I have done guitar tab in Sibelius forever and have encountered no changes in recent versions. I have used every version of Sibelius since 1.2.

I do note that 7.1.3 and 20201.2 use different versions of QT, the underlying framework, and maybe there is something weird going on. I don't remember anything like what you are describing. I am also using Windows 10.

I assume you have completely rebooted your machine. I have no MIDI keyboard attached. I might consider booting into safe mode as a last resort to see if it changes anything. Also turn off any USB or Bluetooth input devices while testing.

I might also try going into File>Preferences>Keyboard Shortcuts and setting the shortcut set to be the standard one. And switch to English as the language if you are not already doing that. And maybe switch the playback configuration to General MIDI basic? Essentially try going to as close as possible to the default state of both Sibelius and your machine.

I am not doubting what you are seeing, and I understand the frustrations of when things go weird like this. But I am on Sibelius forums every day and have not heard this reported.


Here is my process

I type N to start note input, then click on a string. I get a cursor, and type a number. I can type (on the main keyboard, not the numeric keypad) numbers from 0 to 24 on any string.

I can use the mouse to click to a new location, and I get a cursor and can type, and it all seems fine. As long as I am in note input mode, I can use up and down arrow keys to navigate among the strings, and use left and right arrows to move from beat to beat.

It is all working for me as expected.

Sorry not to be more helpful. My suspicion is that there is something different in your setup outside of Sibelius compared to mine and Robin's, but I cannot say what that might be.

Good luck with this!

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Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue
Posted by Laurence Payne - 11 Apr 03:03PM
> I type N to start note input,

I have never known that typing N was the approved method of starting note input. In fact, I have assigned N on my keyboard to something quite different (turn magnetic layout off for the selected item).

Am I missing out on workflow efficiency by not using M? I think I just click on a keypad note value.
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Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 11 Apr 09:06PM
For notation staves you can start with N but do not need to.I don't think you can start entering new notes in Tab without typing N, or pasting notation.

Once there is notation, you can click on a number and then type another number or move around with the arrow keys. But just typing numbers in the keypad just changes the rests and does not let you enter numbers.


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Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue
Posted by Laurence Payne - 11 Apr 09:55PM (edited 11 Apr 09:56PM)
> For notation staves you can start with N but do not need to.I don't think you can start entering new notes in Tab without typing N, or pasting notation.
>

Thanks.

I've never had need of Tab. But, from a quick experiment, I discover I CAN enter notes to a blank Tab stave without N, in the same way I can notes to a normal one.

I must reset N to its default function and see just WHAT it does that's usefully different. Do you recommend using it?
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Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 12 Apr 01:23AM
I can't figure out any way to start from a tab staff with no notes on it to get to the cursor except using N. We must be doing something different! It is the only time I use N (the Input Note command) for that purpose.

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Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue
Posted by Laurence Payne - 12 Apr 01:52AM
I do much the same I do for notes.

Empty Tab stave.

Select a note value in Keypad 1.
Click in the Tab stave on a certain string at a certain rhythmic position.
Cursor appears, followed by zero. Type the number I want.
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Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue
Posted by Denny - 12 Apr 05:42AM
So, after resetting Windows and installing Sibelius once more the issue has disappeared :-)

I also use N to start but I can start by selecting a note value from the keypad and then click on a string (blue mouse cursor), too. But since that always puts in a 0, I don't do it that way.
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Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue
Posted by Laurence Payne - 12 Apr 10:16AM
It puts in an 0 which is immediately replaced by whatever number you type. I guess you also have to type a number after using N?
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2021.2 tablature note input issue - Denny, 10 Apr 08:06AM
     Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Robin Walker, 10 Apr 12:30PM
         Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Denny, 10 Apr 01:45PM
             Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Robin Walker, 10 Apr 02:38PM
                 Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Denny, 10 Apr 02:58PM
                     Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Bob Zawalich, 11 Apr 02:53PM
                         Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Laurence Payne, 11 Apr 03:03PM
                             Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Bob Zawalich, 11 Apr 09:06PM
                                 Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Laurence Payne, 11 Apr 09:55PM
                                     Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Bob Zawalich, 12 Apr 01:23AM
                                         Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Laurence Payne, 12 Apr 01:52AM
                                             Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Denny, 12 Apr 05:42AM
                                                 Re: 2021.2 tablature note input issue - Laurence Payne, 12 Apr 10:16AM