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Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not workin... - James , 09 Jul 06:46AM
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                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - Robin Walker, 09 Jul 10:25PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - James , 09 Jul 10:52PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - Robin Walker, 10 Jul 07:35AM
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                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - Robin Walker, 10 Jul 06:44PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - James , 10 Jul 06:59PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - Robin Walker, 10 Jul 07:22PM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - James , 12 Jul 05:23PM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - Robin Walker, 14 Jul 07:34AM
                                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - James , 17 Jul 03:03AM
                                                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - Robin Walker, 17 Jul 08:57AM
                                                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - James , 18 Jul 02:22AM
                                                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - Robin Walker, 18 Jul 11:35AM
                                                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - James , 27 Jul 10:03PM
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Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not working / no active devices to choose
Posted by James - 09 Jul 06:46AM
Hi

I am having difficulty with playback. The cursor moves, but there is no sound. The mixer shows no gain levels.

When I go to configure audio (Play -> Setup), I see that I do not have any available or active devices to choose from. Both lists are empty. I believe, Sibelius Essential should be listed here. But it is not.

I have gone to Configure Audio Engine. Core Audio is selected. Other applications produce sound (ableton, max msp, itunes, various).

I have restarted both the computer and Sibelius several times.

I navigated to Application Support/Sibelius 7/ to delete the PlogueEngine folder, however, found both Sibelius 7 and Sibelius 7.5 folders empty and without the PrologueEngine folder.

Interestingly, the problem began once the Sibelius 7.5 trial ended.

My OS is Catalina (from reading the forum) I believe that I can't activate Sibelius 7.5 since the Avid License control will not run on Catalina. Has this changed?

What are my options for getting playback to work on Sibelius 7.1.3?

James


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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not working / no active devices to choose
Posted by James - 09 Jul 06:50AM
Also, when I start the program, it says, Audio Engine Error: Bad Settings.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not working / no active devices to choose
Posted by Robin Walker - 09 Jul 08:46AM
> When I go to configure audio (Play -> Setup), I see that I do not have any available or active devices to choose from.

Please attach a screen-shot of the Sibelius dialogue "Audio Engine Options"

and a screen-shot of the Apple "Audio MIDI Setup" -> "Audio Devices" -> displaying the audio output device that you wish Sibelius to use.

> I navigated to Application Support/Sibelius 7/ to delete the PlogueEngine folder,
> however, found both Sibelius 7 and Sibelius 7.5 folders empty and without the PrologueEngine folder.

Probably you were looking in the wrong macOS "Library": you need to be looking in the "User Library", not the "System Library".

> My OS is Catalina (from reading the forum) I believe that I can't activate Sibelius 7.5
> since the Avid License control will not run on Catalina. Has this changed?

No. There is no future for Sibelius 7.x on Catalina, or any higher version of macOS. Sibelius 7.x will be riddled with bugs that cannot be fixed, and, once they lose their activation, they can never be activated again.

> What are my options for getting playback to work on Sibelius 7.1.3?

Provide screen-shots as requested.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not working / no active devices to choose
Posted by James - 09 Jul 07:28PM
Thank you! Here are the requested screenshots.
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not working / no active devices to choose
Posted by James - 09 Jul 07:29PM
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not working / no active devices to choose
Posted by Robin Walker - 09 Jul 10:25PM
The screen-shot of Audio Engine Options shows that Sibelius was forbidden access to the "Built-in Output".

Please provide further diagnostic evidence as follows:
- ensure that Sibelius is fully quit, and not even running in the background;
- in macOS Finder, hold down the Option/alt key while pulling down the "Go" menu, and select "Library";
- in "Library", open sub-folder "Application Support";
- in "Application Support", open "Avid";
- in "Avid", open "Sibelius 7";
- in "Sibelius 7", open "PlogueEngine";
- take all the files from inside "PlogueEngine", and copy them into a .ZIP archive;
- post that .ZIP archive somewhere in the cloud or web, and give us the URL for fetching it.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not working / no active devices to choose
Posted by James - 09 Jul 10:52PM
Here's the requested link, thank you

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aVFf_ZinZALbLJc-1k4KcqVNUE7KU02F/view?usp=sharing

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not working / no active devices to choose
Posted by Robin Walker - 10 Jul 07:35AM
> Here's the requested link, thank you
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aVFf_ZinZALbLJc-1k4KcqVNUE7KU02F/view?usp=sharing

I am denied access to the link you posted. Please post a link which is globally readable.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not working / no active devices to choose
Posted by James - 10 Jul 05:01PM

Hi Robin - sorry about that. I changed the sharing options, this link should work.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aVFf_ZinZALbLJc-1k4KcqVNUE7KU02F/view?usp=sharing

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not working / no active devices to choose
Posted by Robin Walker - 10 Jul 06:44PM
> this link should work.

On looking at those files, it appears likely that Sibelius was still running, and had not been quit.

Please ensure that Sibelius has been fully quit, and is not even in the background, when you take copies of those files and ZIP them up.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not working / no active devices to choose
Posted by James - 10 Jul 06:59PM
Okay - here are the files again. I made sure Sibelius was not running.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/172U-OhTYmdIrGXmqPjTX0mSeeG6irT2b/view?usp=sharing

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not working / no active devices to choose
Posted by Robin Walker - 10 Jul 07:22PM
It is possible that some of the AU or VST plug-ins are not compatible with Catalina. You have many iZotope, Ozone and RX 7 plug-ins. Please check to see whether updates are required for these plug-ins to work with Catalina. If you no longer need them, remove them from the system.

The following plug-ins are not working at all:
/Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/VST/Focusrite/Scarlett EQ.vst
/Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/VST/Focusrite/Scarlett Reverb.vst
/Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/VST/Focusrite/Scarlett Compressor.vst
/Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/VST/Focusrite/Scarlett Gate.vst
and, unless you can update them to work again, I suggest that you remove these plug-ins from the system.

I'm not sure that this is all that might be wrong, but these potential problems might be obscuring any other underlying problem.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not working / no active devices to choose
Posted by James - 12 Jul 05:23PM
Hi Robin,

Sibelius still messages bad audio engine.

I deleted the Focusrite plug-ins that weren't working. I can confirm that the Izotope plug-ins are working. Below are the Plogue Engine files.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pQftDNyOXrIUbtJOAEDUnQXyHfIEhw51/view?usp=sharing

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not working / no active devices to choose
Posted by Robin Walker - 14 Jul 07:34AM
Please try the following:
- ensure that Sibelius is fully quit, and not even running in the background;
- in macOS Finder, hold down the Option/alt key while pulling down the "Go" menu, and select "Library";
- in "Library", open sub-folder "Application Support";
- in "Application Support", open "Avid";
- in "Avid", open "Sibelius 7";
- from "Sibelius 7":
-- trash the sub-folders "Playback Configurations" and "PlogueEngine";
-- trash the file "PlaybackConfig.xml".
and then try launching Sibelius.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not working / no active devices to choose
Posted by James - 17 Jul 03:03AM
Thanks, Robin. I deleted the files above and relauched Sibelius. I did it several times, with no luck.

The first time, the bad audio engine message was not present, but the playback did not work. The transport had 3 stacked lines (~) to the right of the tempo.

The other times, the bad audio engine message appeared as the program was loaded.

How should I proceed?

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not working / no active devices to choose
Posted by Robin Walker - 17 Jul 08:57AM
> The transport had 3 stacked lines (~) to the right of the tempo.

The symbol means that Sibelius has opened in "ReWire" mode.
Normal playback will not work, because Sibelius will only function through the ReWire connection.
Did you have another ReWire application open at the time (such as GarageBand or any other DAW)?

Use the buttons at the bottom of "Audio Engine Options" to escape from ReWire mode. After every button push, click OK, then quit Sibelius and re-launch. Check "Audio Engine Options" again, and repeat the button-clicking until both buttons are greyed out and inactive.

If Sibelius playback is still not working, follow the first 7 bullet-points in the "Mac" section at:
https://avid.secure.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/troubleshooting/en362399

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not working / no active devices to choose
Posted by James - 18 Jul 02:22AM
I did have Ableton running the first time, but quit Ableton for the other tries.

I performed the 7 bullet points in the link a few times, but the Bad Audio Engine message still appears and Playback still has no sound.

Sibelius doesn't crash when it loads and works fine minus the playback.

What would you advise next?

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not working / no active devices to choose
Posted by Robin Walker - 18 Jul 11:35AM
Sorry, I am right out of ideas for further fixes. If you ever find a solution, please let us know.

I have heard of similar issues with other versions of Sibelius on Catalina. You should perhaps investigate whatever features were introduced in Catalina that were not there before. For instance, there are some new security features which require applications to be given "permission" to do various things, which might perhaps include audio input or output.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not working / no active devices to choose
Posted by James - 27 Jul 10:03PM
I resolved the issue!

I restarted the computer once in safe mode (Hold Shift while booting). The Bad Audio Engine Setting message was gone, but playback still didn't work. I restarted the computer a second time, this time not in Safe Mode and everything worked fine.

Below is a link to Safe Mode in case anyone else is having this issue:

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201262

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not working / no active devices to choose
Posted by Robin Walker - 28 Jul 11:28AM
> I restarted the computer once in safe mode (Hold Shift while booting).
> The Bad Audio Engine Setting message was gone, but playback still didn't work.
> I restarted the computer a second time, this time not in Safe Mode and everything worked fine.

This is a very interesting observation, and suggests that the problem was in macOS all along, and not Sibelius.

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Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not workin... - James , 09 Jul 06:46AM
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     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - Robin Walker, 09 Jul 08:46AM
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             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - James , 09 Jul 07:29PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - Robin Walker, 09 Jul 10:25PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - James , 09 Jul 10:52PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - Robin Walker, 10 Jul 07:35AM
                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - James , 10 Jul 05:01PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - Robin Walker, 10 Jul 06:44PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - James , 10 Jul 06:59PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - Robin Walker, 10 Jul 07:22PM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - James , 12 Jul 05:23PM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - Robin Walker, 14 Jul 07:34AM
                                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Sibelius 7.1.3: Playback not wo... - James , 17 Jul 03:03AM
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