This problem is much like one about a year ago, and I received the help needed to resolve the problem. However, I'm at a standstill again: I cannot transfer the instructions and helpI received then to this new problem.
In my piano score, I have a string of notes that I want to be divided so the right hand plays the upper notes, and the left hand plays the lower notes. I have attached a sample (.sib) from my score.
Thanks for your reply; however, I think I might have confused the issue with the sample I sent.
All the notes are to be in the same clef, with the right hand playing the upper notes and the left hand playing the lower notes. They were originally all on the same beam and all pointing in the same direction. I want them to all be the way they are in measure 2 of my sample; however, I cannot figure out how I did that.
I'm sending another sample that is a copy of the solution posted by Laurence Payne: the solution to this problem that I had in the past. It worked. But I can't get it to work this time. I think I must be missing a step along the way.
Can anyone help? Is Laurence available?
Thanks!! p.s. I'm having problems selecting the sample to send. I hope it sent correctly.
There is no quick way to do this. Ctrl-select all the notes you want to be stem down and hit Alt/2. You already have this in part in measures 1 & 2, tho' the wrong way round. Select these measures and go to NoteInput/Voices/Swap. Then you need to filter for rests and hit Delete.
Seems your piece is in 5/4 time but measure 2 is in 4/4, tho' this is not indicated.
Thanks so much for taking the time to help me with this. But I think I might have presented the problem wrong. I have attached another sample that I think makes it more clear.
I have divided the attached into "NEW PROBLEM" and "OLD RESOLUTION". The latter is the result of the help I received from Laurence Payne for a different piece about a year ago.
note: I tried reversing stems and then tried to beam them together. As shown in my other samples, sometimes that worked; however, that appears to be a random guess on my part, and I can't figure out how to apply that to the whole section. Unfortunately, I can't "select the stems down or the stems up notes", since they apparently are all actually "connected to each other", and my making them separate and reversing their stems doesn't appear to be part of the solution.
I am very grateful for help!
p.s. I sent the sample in .sib in case anyone can glean anything from the "raw material." In the other sample I sent, I tried using layers; however, that didn't seem to allow me to manipulate just the stems up or the stems down.
Adrian has already given the correct answer to your question, and it works just fine. Let me give his answer again:
- make a "multiple selection" of all the noteheads that you want to be played by the left hand;
- press Alt-2 to convert all the selected noteheads to Voice 2;
- passage-select the relevant bars and do ribbon tab Appearance -> Reset Notes -> "Stems and Beam Positions", to tidy up;
- passage-select the relevant bars, filter for Rests, then press Delete to hide all the rests;
- join together the beams which you wish to be joined rather than separated.
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I have a Mac. I do see how to use Alt-2; however, I don't see how to make a "multiple selection" of all the note-heads that I want to be played by left hand. When I try to do that, I can't select just the "l.h." notes--all the notes are selected.
"Multiple selections
* Click a note or other object, then Ctrl+click or Command-click one or more other notes or objects to add them to the selection. Ctrl+click or Command-click an object again if you want to remove it from the selection.
[As you can see, it's really a case of clicking on them one note at a time, with Ctrl- or Command- held down]
Thanks, Mark and Robin
Now, it appears I have almost made it. Will you please look at the attachment and tell me where I went wrong? I can't beam the "r.h." notes all the way.
I think you will find all the information you need in that thread. Please go through it meticulously.
As I said at the time, to join the beams you use the third layout tab of the Keypad. You were initially confused and had thought that I said KeyBOARD. There was further discussion about that and I needed to explain to you step by step how to do it.
My advice hasn't changed. And all that you need is documented in that thread. It's ok you have forgotten the methodology and are again confused, but it is better if you go through that thread as a resource rather than us explaining it all over again here.
I will respectfully disagree with one point in Robin's advice, as per the advice I gave 18 months ago:
>>-passage-select the relevant bars, filter for Rests, then press Delete to hide all the rests;
In general, it's better to HIDE the unwanted rests rather than actually delete them. If you DELETE them, then if you copy-and-paste the passage they will reappear in the Paste. If You HIDE them, they won't come back if you copy-paste. So it's worthwhile developing the habit of HIDING - not DELETING - unwanted rests.
Thanks again very much, Mark, for all your help. I confess, I am having difficulty following the advice. I think I am not well versed in terminology, shortcuts, and other information to be able to follow through; so I am very grateful for your help, as well as Robin, Adrian, and others for detailed instruction.
I have printed the old thread, as well as this one; and I'll study them (and the reference guide) more and tackle this again soon.
The answer to the question in your screenshot is to use the instructions I provided in the other thread regarding the third layout tab of the Keypad. You need to beam over the rests as I explained there (the rests are presumably hidden).
> I will respectfully disagree with one point in Robin's advice, as per the advice I gave 18 months ago:
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> >>-passage-select the relevant bars, filter for Rests, then press Delete to hide all the rests;
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> In general, it's better to HIDE the unwanted rests rather than actually delete them.
I didn't say delete the rests. I said "press Delete to hide all the rests". Because that is what "Delete" does the first time you press it. However, if there are already hidden rests in the selection, then pressing "Delete" is the wrong thing to do, because it will then delete all the rests, rather than hide them. So use "Hide" instead of "Delete" to be safe.
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I have followed these directions closely;
- make a "multiple selection" of all the noteheads that you want to be played by the left hand;
- press Alt-2 to convert all the selected noteheads to Voice 2;
- passage-select the relevant bars and do ribbon tab Appearance -> Reset Notes -> "Stems and Beam Positions", to tidy up;
- passage-select the relevant bars, filter for Rests, then press Delete to hide all the rests;
- join together the beams which you wish to be joined rather than separated.
however, I get to a standstill each time: in the Step where I am to "join together the beams which I wish to be joined".
As with the last sample I sent (png), I sometimes get further than this current sample I am now attaching: but it was only by "some kind of chance." I can't do it again.
I'm thinking: is the problem perhaps that the rests "are deleted and not hidden?"
Also, I just can't figure out how to use the "beam over rests".
Mark, even after consulting the manualI also cannot figure out how to "select a starting and ending note for the beam and and press the start beam and end beam" (that is paraphrased, I believe from your instructions from a year ago.)
I am so sorry, but I do need more instruction with this. It appears I'm skipping a step somewhere along the line. Can you help? I printed each step, and if it would help, I could join them all together and send it.
Thanks, Robin.
Please see the attached: I could hide (delete) after the first rest in each system for the LH by doing each rest manually and either choosing "hide in score" or "pressing the delete key".
When I tried to copy and past this into my actual score, it would not transmit correctly.
So, unless anyone has any other help, it looks like I have those limitations.
What do you think?
I think I can guess where you are going wrong, because in your report you say you "select all bars" and try to do things with beaming from the Keypad as a global operation [continued next post]
Make a "Multiple Selection" (explained above) of the individual notes involved, and then apply the beaming from the Keypad. Then you should get the control needed.
Please also feel free to post your actual Sibelius file. I can't open it because I am a Sibelius Version 6 die-hard, but (most) others will be able to open it and may do so and provide more insights.
> Did you think we’ve lost Right-Kilk with newer versions? Cause we haven’t.
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No, he means that Right-Klick is a way to bypass that damn ugly Ribbon and have a "kind of" Sibelius 6 experience in the later versions. He is using a newer version.
I can't thank you enough! I did it! Please see the png copy.
p.s. Just a little FYI: this is a commission of my multi-piece composition for piano trio + 2 vocals performed and "hand-written" many years ago--before computer notation was so readily and aptly available! My "learning curve" has been tested to transfer techniques that were so easily noted by pen-on-paper to the computer notations. The work involved is worth the clarity (for which the musicians are grateful) and my ability to market this and many other older pieces. I had balked at all the work for many years; however, with this commission and my desire to "recreate" my music, I am aptly motivated to "do the job." I figured out most of it "myself" (well, with the reference book); but there have been problems like this one that just had me stumped!
I am very grateful for the perseverance of everyone on this help center to help me and not give up on me!
I'm very glad you got where you needed to be. Not that I minded helping you with the same problem twice, 18 months apart, but since you ran into some of the same misunderstandings on both occasions, this time I hope you will annotate, archive, digest and generalise this specific working method as well as the general principles involved. On the latter: at the start of this thread you did not know how to do a "multiple selection". Now that you do know, it is of course applicable, and intrinsic, across your whole Sibelius experience.
piano example of beamed notes NEW PROBLEM.sib
piano problem of beamed notes NEW PROBLEM.png