'Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score'

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Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score - guitarguitar, 14 Aug 08:34PM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Laurence Payne, 14 Aug 08:40PM
         Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - guitarguitar, 14 Aug 08:47PM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - guitarguitar, 14 Aug 08:51PM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Laurence Payne, 14 Aug 08:53PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - guitarguitar, 14 Aug 10:53PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - guitarguitar, 14 Aug 10:54PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Jesper Elén, 15 Aug 05:33AM
                             Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Laurence Payne, 15 Aug 09:16AM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Jesper Elén, 15 Aug 09:45AM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Erik Hagner, 15 Aug 09:46AM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Laurence Payne, 15 Aug 10:29AM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Erik Hagner, 15 Aug 10:54AM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Philip R, 15 Aug 10:54AM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Laurence Payne, 15 Aug 11:48AM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Erik Hagner, 15 Aug 01:29PM
                                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Robin Walker, 15 Aug 01:50PM
                                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Laurence Payne, 15 Aug 04:21PM
                                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Bob Zawalich, 15 Aug 04:48PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Philip R, 15 Aug 05:13PM
                                                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Laurence Payne, 15 Aug 06:25PM
                                                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Erik Hagner, 15 Aug 07:24PM
                                                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Philip R, 17 Aug 04:45PM
                                                                             Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Laurence Payne, 17 Aug 05:24PM

Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by guitarguitar - 14 Aug 08:34PM
I would like to turn off bar numbering after bar 12 in a score. Leave the first 12 with bar numbers but turn off numbering after that bar-can't find the way to do this. thanks

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by Laurence Payne - 14 Aug 08:40PM
Find some ingenious method of breaking the repeat structure from bar 13 onwards? Arrange a page break at bar 12, configure the score as two separate sib files and concatenate them after exporting PDFs? As it's only 12 bars you want numbering, insert the figures manually as text?

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by guitarguitar - 14 Aug 08:47PM
thanks Laurence but I was looking for something in the vicinity of user friendly.......thought I had been able to do this before but maybe I am mistaken

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by guitarguitar - 14 Aug 08:51PM
I can select and hide all numbers for a stave...is there a way to select all bar numbers from selected bar on and then use hide command to hide all of them?

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by Laurence Payne - 14 Aug 08:53PM (edited 15 Aug 12:14PM)
Here's a neat way, using a Bar Number Change. Remember what a tilde character does to following text? We normally use it to hide things like mm markings. But it works on bar numbers too. See attachment.
Attachment Capture.PNG.png (112K)

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by guitarguitar - 14 Aug 10:53PM

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by guitarguitar - 14 Aug 10:54PM
Pretty nifty....didn't know about the adding tilda character in the first place....thanks it works like a charm.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by Jesper Elén - 15 Aug 05:33AM
Pure genius Laurence.
; - )

Jesper

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by Laurence Payne - 15 Aug 09:16AM
Thank you. I was rather pleased with it too!

Even neater than my first thought of selecting from bar 12 onward, Filtering Bar Numbers and pressing Ctrl-Shift-H to hide them. Though that works too.

I'm sure it's been suggested before, somewhere by someone. But don't mount a search until I've collected my Nobel Prize, OK? :-)

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by Jesper Elén - 15 Aug 09:45AM
Or perhaps the Polar music prize.



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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by Erik Hagner - 15 Aug 09:46AM
And you could even check "No bar number" in the dialog instead, but that would be too easy :-D

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by Laurence Payne - 15 Aug 10:29AM
And would only affect that one bar. The "No bar number (and don't count bar)" option is for the special case where you want two bars to appear as one. Typically in a hymn tune where you want an anacrusis to start a new line.

You're lucky that wasn't a practical simple solution, Erik, or I'd have had to kill you! :-)

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by Erik Hagner - 15 Aug 10:54AM
Oh – I'm still in great danger. Make a passage selection and use you shortcut for Bar Number Change ...
Maybe I can save my life because it's almost impossible to find the Bar Number Change dialog in the RIBBON ha ha. And the right click menu is not an option when you make a passage selection. But in times of Sib 6 and earlier you would just go to the Create menu in the Menu Bar - when a passage selection made the right click menu change ...

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by Philip R - 15 Aug 10:54AM
Very clever, Laurence! Mind if I put this tip on the blog (with full attribution, of course)?

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by Laurence Payne - 15 Aug 11:48AM
I agree Erik, even after all these years, having had plenty of time to get accustomed to the Ribbon and forget Sibelius 6, I navigated the menu tree straight away - it still has a logic sadly lacking in the Ribbon. That apart, I can't see any functional difference between knowing where Change Bar Numbers is in the Sibelius 6 menus and knowing where it is in the Ribbon.

Feel free to copy it anywhere you like, Philip.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by Erik Hagner - 15 Aug 01:29PM
>That apart, I can't see any functional difference between knowing where Change Bar Numbers is in the Sibelius 6 menus and knowing where it is in the Ribbon

Neither can I. I was only referring (OT) to the fact, that I hadn't got the slightest idea where to find it in the ribbon, whereas I found it straight away in sib 6 ...

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by Robin Walker - 15 Aug 01:50PM
Bar Numbers are text, so they are on the Text tab. Intuitive!

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by Laurence Payne - 15 Aug 04:21PM (edited 15 Aug 04:24PM)
I think even the greatest of Ribbon fans would have to admit this (attached) is a pretty confused bit of design! Even worse, it displays differently on this (smaller) laptop screen to the full-size one on my main computer.
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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 15 Aug 04:48PM (edited 17 Aug 08:31PM)
There are thousands of individual items on the menu, and it is pretty much guaranteed that some will not be where you look for them.

Find In Ribbon can often be very useful.

I am reminded of a video I saw where someone as Microsoft was explaining how the Ribbon was intended to work. There was a scene where he was talking with his wife and she could not find something.

He explained where it was, and she said something like "well I would not have looked there". He explained why it was put where it was (as in "Bar numbers are text...") and asked where she thought it should go. And she said "I don't know, but it would not have been there".

I is hard to always pick the "intuitive" place, especially for items that can be viewed through an number of different contexts. If you move items it is a sure thing that someone else will not be able to find it because they were thinking of bar numbers as text, but now they are... where? Layout, maybe?

I could often not find things in the menu either. It is probably hard to always get things right. Find In Ribbon is your friend, as is the right-click Create Menu. I also don't care much for the Ribbon galleries, but eventually you find your way around, and it works most of the time.

When Sib 7 first came out, I wrote a plugin called Where Did It Go, which listed the Sib 6 menus and where the comparable functions were on the Ribbon. (see Screenshot).

So I thought, "if I did not know how to produce a bar number change, and I was new to Sibelius, where would I look?".

In the end I did stumble onto the Create menu, because pretty much everything you wanted to add to a score was in the Create menu.

If you go through every entry in Create, and have not given up yet, you find Create > Other > Bar Number. Is that an intuitive location? It is fine if you know where it is, but it is also fine to think about bar number and Chord Symbols and Rehearsal Marks as bits of text and find them on the Text menu. Why are chord symbols there? Are they really text? I don't know, but where is a better location?

And I can type "bar number" into Find In Ribbon and I get to it right away. Nothing like that was available in Sib 6.

I now find Sib 6 harder to use than Sib 7 with the Ribbon. I do use the Create menu a lot. I often close the Ribbon so it only occupies a single line, just as the menu bar did. I use keyboard shortcuts a lot. But I also find things in the Ribbon a lot.

I suspect that if Daniel and the crew were still here a lot of fine-tuning would have been done. Sib 7 was a placeholder, a starting point for things that never happened.

I never use Sib 6 for anything unless a client requires it or I am testing a plugin to see that it works in 6. I do 95% or more of my work in 7.5.

I don't have 8, and I am not sure if I will ever get 8 unless the bottom falls out of 7.5.

But I don't complain about the Ribbon any more.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by Philip R - 15 Aug 05:13PM
What Bob Z said.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by Laurence Payne - 15 Aug 06:25PM
I suspect the big problem with the Ribbon is that it's too big to scan. I can glance at a menu and see what I want straight away. You have to LOOK at the Ribbon.

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by Erik Hagner - 15 Aug 07:24PM
Ooops. Didn't mean to bring that up again ;-)

(But I've NEVER complained about the ribbon before in this forum. Just thought it was my turn)

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by Philip R - 17 Aug 04:45PM
The post is up. Thanks again, Laurence.

http://www.sibeliusblog.com/tips/hide-bar-numbers-for-a-region-in-sibelius-using-the-tilde/

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Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score
Posted by Laurence Payne - 17 Aug 05:24PM
Fame at last!

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Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest of score - guitarguitar, 14 Aug 08:34PM
     Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Laurence Payne, 14 Aug 08:40PM
         Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - guitarguitar, 14 Aug 08:47PM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - guitarguitar, 14 Aug 08:51PM
             Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Laurence Payne, 14 Aug 08:53PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - guitarguitar, 14 Aug 10:53PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - guitarguitar, 14 Aug 10:54PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Jesper Elén, 15 Aug 05:33AM
                             Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Laurence Payne, 15 Aug 09:16AM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Jesper Elén, 15 Aug 09:45AM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Erik Hagner, 15 Aug 09:46AM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Laurence Payne, 15 Aug 10:29AM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Erik Hagner, 15 Aug 10:54AM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Philip R, 15 Aug 10:54AM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Laurence Payne, 15 Aug 11:48AM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Erik Hagner, 15 Aug 01:29PM
                                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Robin Walker, 15 Aug 01:50PM
                                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Laurence Payne, 15 Aug 04:21PM
                                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Bob Zawalich, 15 Aug 04:48PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Philip R, 15 Aug 05:13PM
                                                                 Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Laurence Payne, 15 Aug 06:25PM
                                                                     Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Erik Hagner, 15 Aug 07:24PM
                                                                         Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Philip R, 17 Aug 04:45PM
                                                                             Re: Sib. 7.5: turn off bar numbering for rest o... - Laurence Payne, 17 Aug 05:24PM