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Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (instrum... - Lance Piantaggini, 01 Feb 12:15AM
     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Robin Walker, 01 Feb 12:20AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Lance Piantaggini, 01 Feb 02:30AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Bob Morabito, 01 Feb 02:58AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Lance Piantaggini, 01 Feb 03:24AM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Bob Morabito, 01 Feb 04:03AM
                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Mike Lyons, 01 Feb 06:40AM
                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Laurence Payne, 01 Feb 11:00AM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Laurence Payne, 01 Feb 11:15AM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Lance Piantaggini, 06 Feb 12:07AM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Darren Loney, 29 Jul 03:49PM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - ProCantoPress, 22 Feb 06:52PM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Robin Walker, 23 Feb 02:40PM

Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (instruments decay after 4 beats)
Posted by Lance Piantaggini - 01 Feb 12:15AM
Soundset: Sibelius Sounds 7

The playback isn't playing tied notes for the full duration.

The Tuba instrument, for example, decays after 4 beats even though it's tied for another 4 (AND a crescendo hairpin up to FF is also in the score).

I have changed the playback to Meccanico, but otherwise have no idea why it's not playing back pitches at the full value.

Help?

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (instruments decay after 4 beats)
Posted by Robin Walker - 01 Feb 12:20AM
Yes, you might have exhausted the length of the sample in the sample library.

Generally speaking, the lengths of samples in the Sibelius 7 Sounds library are greatest for un-articulated notes. So if there is an articulation on the first of the tied notes, try removing it, to see whether you get a longer playback.

If that does not fix it, please attach a Sibelius .sib score file which demonstrates the problem.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (instruments decay after 4 beats)
Posted by Lance Piantaggini - 01 Feb 02:30AM
That's insane. I did have an accent articulation because, guess what, that attack needs to be LOUDER than the previous one - go figure!

I propose that AVID includes the following disclaimer:

"When expecting realistic playback, be prepared to settle for subpar musical notation, void of articulations."

I do not remember this being an issue in the past...WTF changed? Was I spoiled with my Garritan soundset (that I can't manage to get working now)?

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (instruments decay after 4 beats)
Posted by Bob Morabito - 01 Feb 02:58AM
>If that does not fix it, please attach a Sibelius .sib score file which demonstrates the problem.

As Robin asked, pls attach a sib file which demonstrates the problem, so that people might trouble shoot it.

Thanks Bob

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (instruments decay after 4 beats)
Posted by Lance Piantaggini - 01 Feb 03:24AM
No need, the conditional clause Robin used began with "if," as in "IF that does not fix it (which it did), please attach a Sibelius .sib score." Removing the articulation (an accent), fixed the problem I was experiencing.

At this point, it's clear that there is a problem with the program if an accent overrides ties and other dynamics. I am left unhappy, but there's not much to do about it (aside from creating one version for audio export, and one for printing, OR spend some time figuring out why Garritan Personal Orchestra isn't installing properly since I have not experienced this on other machines/previous Sibelius versions).

Unless, of course, you have another suggestion on how to to resolve the articulation + tie issue, Bob (in which case I'll attach the file when able)?

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (instruments decay after 4 beats)
Posted by Bob Morabito - 01 Feb 04:03AM
It wasnt clear to me from your previous post, Lance, that Robin's solution did in fact solve it, hence my response. Thanks.

>Unless, of course, you have another suggestion on how to to resolve the articulation + tie issue, Bob (in which case I'll attach the file when able)?

At this point, again without seeing a score, I have no immediate concrete suggestions-- if you do attach a score, of course, when youre able, perhaps that might change for myself and others after seeing the score.

Thanks Bob

PS Maybe something along the lines of using an accent from Symbols, which IIRC doesnt play back, and increasing the Live Velocity of the note in the Inspector..not sure how good this thought is!



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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (instruments decay after 4 beats)
Posted by Mike Lyons - 01 Feb 06:40AM
I would be more concerned with why your Garritan GPO isn't working. I have GPO and it works perfectly well with Sib 7.5.1, as it has all through the changes from sib 7.1.0 upwards.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (instruments decay after 4 beats)
Posted by Laurence Payne - 01 Feb 11:00AM (edited 01 Feb 11:01AM)
In Sibelius 7 Sounds, the Tuba sample that is switched in by a Sound ID change of "+accent" does not loop. Also for Trombone. I haven't tried others. This is bad, but it is so. Pity, it's a nice sample.

You could go to Playback Dictionary, Articulations, Accent and remove the "+accent" behaviour, setting instead a higher value for "Attack" (see attachment).

Or you could retain the Sound ID change and use a different sound set that doesn't have this problem. Did you keep Sibelius 6 Sounds? And, yes, let's get your GPO working.
Attachment Capture.JPG.jpg (92K)

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (instruments decay after 4 beats)
Posted by Laurence Payne - 01 Feb 11:15AM (edited 01 Feb 11:16AM)
Surprisingly, this does not seem to have been reported in the Ideascale forum. I have just done so. So please go there and vote it up! (or find the duplicate report that I missed:-)

http://sibelius.ideascale.com/a/dtd/+accent-brass-samples-don-t-sustain/149319-22221?submitted=1

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (instruments decay after 4 beats)
Posted by Lance Piantaggini - 06 Feb 12:07AM
Hmm. I have Garritan Personal Orchestra Sibelius Edition. It's prompting me to download Sibelius Silver.

I wonder if I tried doing this long before I had Sibelius 7, and just abandoned it.

Should I try to install this seemingly out-of-date sound library, or upgrade to the new GPO? Is that even possible?

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (instruments decay after 4 beats)
Posted by Darren Loney - 29 Jul 03:49PM
What is the answer to this problem?? It's common to have an accented note (especially in brass) that is several measures long but should not fade out.

The only thing I can think of is to add a symbol that looks like an accent but doesn't actually affect the playback.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (instruments decay after 4 beats)
Posted by ProCantoPress - 22 Feb 06:52PM
I'm having the same issue with a piano quintet. I have tied notes with a crescendo for the four string parts and inexplicably, all four string parts cut out a measure early when playing it back. I've tried several fixes, but nothing seems to work. The piano part has a chord on the final 8th note of a measure with a staccato and that's when the four string parts cut out. Any suggestions?

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (instruments decay after 4 beats)
Posted by Robin Walker - 23 Feb 02:40PM
The sampled sounds for string sounds with accents are shorter in duration than the sampled sounds for strings without accents. So the problem is probably an accent on the first tied note.

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Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (instrum... - Lance Piantaggini, 01 Feb 12:15AM
     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Robin Walker, 01 Feb 12:20AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Lance Piantaggini, 01 Feb 02:30AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Bob Morabito, 01 Feb 02:58AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Lance Piantaggini, 01 Feb 03:24AM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Bob Morabito, 01 Feb 04:03AM
                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Mike Lyons, 01 Feb 06:40AM
                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Laurence Payne, 01 Feb 11:00AM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Laurence Payne, 01 Feb 11:15AM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Lance Piantaggini, 06 Feb 12:07AM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Darren Loney, 29 Jul 03:49PM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - ProCantoPress, 22 Feb 06:52PM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Ties not playback properly (ins... - Robin Walker, 23 Feb 02:40PM