Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Ed Buller - 15 Aug 01:27PM Hide picture Hi Does anyone know how to alter the midi data of a stave prior to export as a midi file ?. I wish to compose in Sibelius and export into Cubase to render. At the moment Sibelius sets a lot off CC data. It would be very useful to be able to tweak this any suggestions ? all the best ed Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Laurence Payne - 15 Aug 02:10PM Hide picture Probably easier to tweak it in Cubase, where you have graphic display of all MIDI Control data. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Bob Morabito - 15 Aug 04:12PM Hide picture By using the advanced filter you can select, then copy or cut the Control messages youre interested in, and paste them somewhere outside of Sib and tweak them.. Then copy the tweaked Control numbers, and create Other Staff text, Plain Text, and paste them in where you want them in your Sib score. Seems to work here-pls let me know if it works for you. Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.4 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Andrew Noah Cap - 16 Aug 09:08AM Hide picture In addition: Sibelius adds CC11 to every single note. I encountered that deleting all CC11 destroys the blending you have adjusted within Sibelius. I remove them in Cubase in the Midi-editor and leave some initial CC11 left in the part. After importing into Cubase I have to work in the editor anyway so I have CC1, CC7 and CC11 always shown at the bottom. -- Andrew Noah Cap =============== The most famous unknown composer alive :-) Working as a composer, engraver and audio-engineer. Win7 64-Bit, Sibelius v7.1.3 + v7.5, Cubase 7.5, VSL Ensemble Pro 5, LoopB30 on a Master-Computer Sibelius rewired to Cubase as a host and connected via LoopB30 (each staff) - All soundlibs on a Slave-Computer connected via LAN using Ensemble Pro 5 Soundlibs: too many to name them all. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Ed Buller - 16 Aug 10:30AM Hide picture HI Thank you very much for the speedy replies. I guess what i'm after isn't possible. I'm very familiar with cubase so it would be an easy task to create a macro to delete necessary CC data but i wanted to actually write as much as I can in Sibelius ( partly due to the phenomenal sound of NOTEPERFORMER )and just use cub as as the final stage. I was Dreaming that i could actually tweak my template so it played back ALL of the midi data in Sibelius as a starting point and then only need a bit of fine tuning . But i'm staring to think that is impossible e Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Bob Morabito - 16 Aug 10:40AM Hide picture >I was Dreaming that i could actually tweak my template so it played back ALL of the midi data in Sibelius as a starting point and then only need a bit of fine tuning > Again pls try what I suggested..You start off with all the midi data in Sib, and you only left Sib to tweak the data on paper, after you copied it, and paste it back into Sib. It was really fast, and might be the only way to do what you want... Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.4 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Ed Buller - 16 Aug 11:39AM Hide picture Hi Bob so if I understand you correctly you say export the shown midi dat to a normal text editor. Fix it then paste it in as staff text ? all the best e Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Ed Buller - 16 Aug 11:50AM Hide picture M just tried this. What am I looking for in the advance filter page ? I don't see anything labeled "control " in the text window. e Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Bob Morabito - 16 Aug 12:04PM Hide picture Select the measure where the Midi CC's are located. Home>Select>Filter>Advanced and look for Text, the tilde ~ pls see attachment Thansk Bob > M > > just tried this. What am I looking for in the advance filter page ? I don't see anything labeled "control " in the text window. > > e -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.4 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Attachment Screen Shot 2014-08-16 at 8.00.44 AM.png (221K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Bob Morabito - 16 Aug 11:56AM Hide picture Hi Ed-- In Sib use the Advanced filter to filter the Midi CC messages, then copy, or cut them..this places them on the Clipboard. Then paste them into anything outside of Sib..an email, a text page, etc and tweak them. Then copy the tweaked ones and create Other Staff text, Plain Text, at the point where you want to paste them in your Sib score, and paste the tweaked ones back in. It sounds a LOT longer that it actually takes:) Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.4 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Ed Buller - 16 Aug 11:58AM Hide picture but i'm not seeing any CC messages in the advance filter e Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Ed Buller - 16 Aug 12:00PM Hide picture i presume it's under TEXT e Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Bob Morabito - 16 Aug 12:05PM Hide picture Please see my post above with a screen shot showing all of it. Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.4 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Ed Buller - 16 Aug 12:30PM Hide picture hi yup tried that . even on big scores it's note showing any MIDI messages e Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Bob Morabito - 16 Aug 12:43PM Hide picture When you go back to your Sib score the Midi messages should be highlighted in blue.. -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.4 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Ed Buller - 16 Aug 12:44PM Hide picture but they aren't. Does this work on Sib 7 ? Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Bob Morabito - 16 Aug 12:51PM Hide picture Yep..Ive been using Sib 7.1.3 to try it, and it just worked again. Thanks Bob PS are they still grey? -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.4 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Laurence Payne - 16 Aug 12:49PM Hide picture > Does anyone know how to alter the midi data of a stave prior to export as a midi file ?. Are you actually seeing MIDI cc messages in Sibelius? In a score created in Sibelius? I wonder where they are coming from? We "tweak" Sibelius playback with notation, articulations, dynamics, Mixer settings etc. An Exported MIDI file will attempt to translate some of these as MIDI CC messages. Whether there's any point in optimizing a Sibelius score for playback through NotePerformer, then Exporting to Cubase - which can't use NotePerformer sounds - is another question. Is the "expression" added by NP included in a MIDI Export? Interesting. I must experiment... Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Ed Buller - 16 Aug 12:52PM Hide picture if i create a blank score.....no notes just full orchestra, and export it it contains CC data. Volume , Pan and some effects data. I was hoping I could use this to my advantage and tweak it. e Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Bob Morabito - 16 Aug 12:58PM Hide picture That CC data youre talking about isnt in the SIb file as far as I can tell..but is written when the midi file is written. If anyone knows differently, please let us know. PS And those few Midi messages at the start..THEY'RE what youve been talking about trying to tweak?? Couldnt you just enter them with your own values at the start of the score? Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.4 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Bob Morabito - 16 Aug 01:06PM Hide picture What CC's do you see when you open a blank score in Cubase? 64, 7? Please list them all-thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.4 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Laurence Payne - 16 Aug 01:15PM Hide picture > if i create a blank score.....no notes just full orchestra, and export it it contains CC data. Volume , Pan and some effects data. I was hoping I could use this to my advantage and tweak it. > That MIDI data is attempting to tell Cubase (or whatever) what instruments are assigned to each stave and how their volume, pan position etc. are set up in the Sibelius Mixer. If you want different data, make different settings! Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Ed Buller - 16 Aug 01:19PM Hide picture how ? e Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Ed Buller - 16 Aug 01:25PM Hide picture ok automatic midi data : CC 73, 64,91,10,7 this appears on any export . The first ( 73 ) relates to program data for the instrument. ( flute )...Oboe is 68 ...TUBA is 58. this is a default. There automatically on any midi export unless you disable it on the preferences page. What i'd like to know is how to set it up ...in Sibelius. This DATA does NOT appear as text with~.in the score...as far as I can see thanks e Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Bob Morabito - 16 Aug 01:30PM Hide picture Look at the Midi CC numbers, that you want to tweak.. at the Beginning of the Score, create New Midi messages with those controllers and the values you want to use. Pls see 598-599 Sib 7.1.3 pdf ref man--Creating Midi Messages in Sibelius, etc Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.4 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Ed Buller - 16 Aug 01:40PM Hide picture Hi yes this will work. But it will just ADD a new command after the preset one. Which is annoying . I'd like to change the presto one. But it's obviously not possible Once again , thanks for all the help e Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Bob Morabito - 16 Aug 01:46PM Hide picture > Hi > > yes this will work. But it will just ADD a new command after the preset one. Which is annoying . I'd like to change the presto one. But it's obviously not possible > > Once again , thanks for all the help > Youre welcome--- Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.4 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Laurence Payne - 16 Aug 01:43PM Hide picture > Look at the Midi CC numbers, that you want to tweak.. > > at the Beginning of the Score, create New Midi messages with those controllers and the values you want to use. > > Pls see 598-599 Sib 7.1.3 pdf ref man--Creating Midi Messages in Sibelius, etc > But there's really no point. If you want a different Pan or Volume setting for an Instrument, set it in the Mixer. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Ed Buller - 16 Aug 01:44PM Hide picture that's not exported e Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Bob Morabito - 16 Aug 01:48PM Hide picture > that's not exported > > e Please see this new plugin: http://www.sibelius.com/download/plugins/index.html?plugin=498 Thanks Bob -- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1 Mac OS 10.9.4 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD Back to top | All threads

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: MIDI CC DATA Posted by Laurence Payne - 16 Aug 02:40PM (edited 16 Aug 02:59PM) Hide picture > that's not exported > Yes it is (see attached screen shot). Look at the two Main Volume settings too. And it works. Though Cubase's Mixer doesn't display the setting. Attachment Capture.JPG.jpg (263K) Back to top | All threads