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Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Hans Schellevis, 30 Nov 08:09AM
     Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Jody Hughes, 30 Nov 08:27AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Hans Schellevis, 30 Nov 08:47AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Jody Hughes, 30 Nov 09:19AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Erik Hagner, 30 Nov 09:33AM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Hans Schellevis, 30 Nov 09:39AM
                         Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Jody Hughes, 30 Nov 01:50PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Erik Hagner, 30 Nov 02:34PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Erik Hagner, 30 Nov 03:19PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Jody Hughes, 30 Nov 03:31PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Erik Hagner, 30 Nov 04:30PM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Jody Hughes, 30 Nov 05:03PM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Hans Schellevis, 30 Nov 05:35PM
                                                     Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - monsterjazzlicks, 05 Jan 06:06PM
                                                         Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Laurence Payne, 05 Jan 08:52PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - monsterjazzlicks, 05 Jan 09:23PM
                                                                 Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - monsterjazzlicks, 05 Jan 09:30PM
                                                                 Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Laurence Payne, 05 Jan 09:37PM
                                                                     Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - monsterjazzlicks, 05 Jan 09:58PM
                                                                         Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Laurence Payne, 06 Jan 02:18AM
                                                                             Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - monsterjazzlicks, 06 Jan 10:03PM
                                                                                 Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - monsterjazzlicks, 06 Jan 10:07PM
                                                                                     Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Noel Fidge, 09 Jan 05:43AM
                                                                                         Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - monsterjazzlicks, 09 Jan 08:32PM

Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by Hans Schellevis - 30 Nov 08:09AM
Hi all,

How can I increase/specify the gap between the time signature and the first note, other than dragging that note?

Hans
MAC OSX 10.6.8

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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by Jody Hughes - 30 Nov 08:27AM
Hi

Go to Engraving Rules>Clefs and key signatures, and set the value for 'Gap after initial clef/key signature to a larger number than zero.

Hope that helps
Jeremy
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music editor/engraver
Sibelius 7.1.3 | iMac 3.2GHz i3 | OS X Version 10.6.8 Snow Leopard

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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by Hans Schellevis - 30 Nov 08:47AM
thank you Jeremy, but I want the gap after the TIME signature bigger, not after the clef and key signature...

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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by Jody Hughes - 30 Nov 09:19AM
Hi

Sorry, misread it. You have to move the time signature left manually.

J

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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by Erik Hagner - 30 Nov 09:33AM
Hans, you can actually get what you want thanks to the new text edit features in Sib 7.
Go to edit text style and edit the time signature text style. Increase the value in "tracking" to say 50.
Afterwards you have to fiddle withe the value in "gap BEFORE time signature" and reset note spacing to put it in the right place ...

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Erik Hagner, Denmark
MacBook5,1 - OS X 10.6.8
Sibelius 7.1.3
Finale 2010b r1

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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by Hans Schellevis - 30 Nov 09:39AM
thank you Erik, this bring me close to where I need to be!

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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by Jody Hughes - 30 Nov 01:50PM
Hi

That's not very useful for time signatures with numbers > 9.

Jeremy
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Sibelius 7.1.3 | iMac 3.2GHz i3 | OS X Version 10.6.8 Snow Leopard

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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by Erik Hagner - 30 Nov 02:34PM (edited 30 Nov 02:37PM)
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Erik Hagner, Denmark
MacBook5,1 - OS X 10.6.8
Sibelius 7.1.3
Finale 2010b r1

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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by Erik Hagner - 30 Nov 03:19PM (edited 30 Nov 04:23PM)
A workaround that could be used as the last thing in your layout process is to increase the value of the "Gap before time signature". Then use the advanced filter to filter all time sigs in the whole score. Use the inspector to move them all to the left with the same amount in one go ...
(or avoid time signatures with numbers > 9)

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Erik Hagner, Denmark
MacBook5,1 - OS X 10.6.8
Sibelius 7.1.3
Finale 2010b r1

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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by Jody Hughes - 30 Nov 03:31PM
As far as I remember, that will also move time signatures that appear mid-system though.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by Erik Hagner - 30 Nov 04:30PM
But that would be the intention, wouldn't it? Or only right after the clef?

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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by Jody Hughes - 30 Nov 05:03PM
Just after the clef, I think.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by Hans Schellevis - 30 Nov 05:35PM
Hi guys,

The only thing I want/need, is a slightly bigger gap AFTER the time signature. Erik, your earlier message probably brings me where I need to be.
Cheers,

Hans.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 05 Jan 06:06PM (edited 05 Jan 06:22PM)
Hi folks,

(Apologies for reviving a thread of 18 months old.)

I wanted an opinion, please, on whether or not there is adequate space between the time-signature and the very first note (or natural-sign, in this case)?

(Please see screengrab.)

EDIT: The piece remains in 4/4 throughout.

Many thanks in advance for any kind assistance offered here.

Best,

Paul David Seaman (UK)

Sibelius 8.7.2 - 2018.7, Note Performer 4, Cubase 9 Pro.

Dell Inspiron 3737, Windows 10, 16GB RAM, 1.70gHz, 64-bit, Intel Core i3.

paulseaman1 (at) hotmail (dot) com
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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by Laurence Payne - 05 Jan 08:52PM
Take the natural out and see what happens. If you consider that to be optimum spacing, I suppose it follows that WITH the natural it's too tight! (Sibelius does move the first note over for a double accidental.)

Look at my example. Would you want MORE space before the first note on the second stave?
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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 05 Jan 09:23PM
> Take the natural out and see what happens. If you consider that to be optimum spacing, I suppose it follows that WITH the natural it's too tight! (Sibelius does move the first note over for a double accidental.)

LP - When I remove the natural sign the gap closes (looks like the first note is moved left to where the natural sign originally was). So yes, the spacing here is "too tight". Thanks a lot.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 05 Jan 09:30PM (edited 05 Jan 09:31PM)
> Look at my example. Would you want MORE space before the first note on the second stave?

LP - Many thanks. I would say space before the opening note (non-accidental) on the second stave is OK. Opening F-natural on first stave example looks too close to my eyes. Cheers.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by Laurence Payne - 05 Jan 09:37PM
Interesting. Removing the natural makes no difference here, even after Reset Note Spacing. Look at the graph paper background.
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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 05 Jan 09:58PM (edited 05 Jan 10:00PM)
> Interesting. Removing the natural makes no difference here, even after Reset Note Spacing.

LP - Thanks for looking into this. With the natural sign I would say the squeeze is too tight, to my eyes. Reset Note Spacing does not generate any noticeable change. Cheers.

EDIT: Examples are from individual trumpet parts.
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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by Laurence Payne - 06 Jan 02:18AM
Are you standing by "When I remove the natural sign the gap closes (looks like the first note is moved left to where the natural sign originally was)."? I can't make this happen.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 06 Jan 10:03PM (edited 06 Jan 10:05PM)
> Removing the natural makes no difference here...

LP - Oh really? Must be acting differently on your side? Paul

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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 06 Jan 10:07PM
> Are you standing by "When I remove the natural sign the gap closes (looks like the first note is moved left to where the natural sign originally was)."?

Yup! ;-/

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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by Noel Fidge - 09 Jan 05:43AM
The examples in the screen shots addressing the gap between a time signature and the notes with a natural sign look easy to read to me. Occasionally I feel tempted to twig the space on subsequent lines where a note's accidental (the first note on that system) clashes with the key signature. I think that example (referring to gaps) where a key signature, not time signature is juxtaposed to an accidental can at first sight reading be more confusing??

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Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature
Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 09 Jan 08:32PM (edited 09 Jan 08:33PM)
> The examples in the screen shots addressing the gap between a time signature and the notes with a natural sign look easy to read to me.

Hi Noel,

Thank you very much for sharing your perspective here. I really appreciate that.

For this current score I have decided to put it to bed simply because I have been working on it since December (believe it or not)!

I have never considered the similar scenario of a time-sig. and accidental before.

Many thanks,

Paul

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Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Hans Schellevis, 30 Nov 08:09AM
     Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Jody Hughes, 30 Nov 08:27AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Hans Schellevis, 30 Nov 08:47AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Jody Hughes, 30 Nov 09:19AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Erik Hagner, 30 Nov 09:33AM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Hans Schellevis, 30 Nov 09:39AM
                         Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Jody Hughes, 30 Nov 01:50PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Erik Hagner, 30 Nov 02:34PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Erik Hagner, 30 Nov 03:19PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Jody Hughes, 30 Nov 03:31PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Erik Hagner, 30 Nov 04:30PM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Jody Hughes, 30 Nov 05:03PM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Hans Schellevis, 30 Nov 05:35PM
                                                     Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - monsterjazzlicks, 05 Jan 06:06PM
                                                         Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Laurence Payne, 05 Jan 08:52PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - monsterjazzlicks, 05 Jan 09:23PM
                                                                 Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - monsterjazzlicks, 05 Jan 09:30PM
                                                                 Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Laurence Payne, 05 Jan 09:37PM
                                                                     Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - monsterjazzlicks, 05 Jan 09:58PM
                                                                         Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Laurence Payne, 06 Jan 02:18AM
                                                                             Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - monsterjazzlicks, 06 Jan 10:03PM
                                                                                 Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - monsterjazzlicks, 06 Jan 10:07PM
                                                                                     Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - Noel Fidge, 09 Jan 05:43AM
                                                                                         Re: Sib. 7.1: gap AFTER time signature - monsterjazzlicks, 09 Jan 08:32PM