'Sib. 7.1: How do a chord roll'

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Sib. 7.1: How do a chord roll - WoodyS, 23 Apr 12:51AM
     Re: Sib. 7.1: How do a chord roll - Jim Druckenmiller, 23 Apr 02:06AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1: How do a chord roll - Ray1, 22 Aug 05:41AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1: How do a chord roll - James, 22 Aug 06:12AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1: How do a chord roll - Laurence Payne, 22 Aug 11:19AM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1: How do a chord roll - JazzKeyboardist, 17 Sep 03:48PM

Sib. 7.1: How do a chord roll
Posted by WoodyS - 23 Apr 12:51AM
This is a compound question. The first part is "how do you do chord rolls in Sibelius." The second is "How do you do a chord roll that spans two voices."


In he attached file you'll see two bars. In bar 1 I would like this to be played back with a kind of roll, from the F to the Db. To me it's not really an apreggio, just a roll. I am used to seeing a vertical wavy thing placed to the left of the chord to indicate that it is to be played with a kind of roll. But I don't see this in Sibelius. I see something called an up Arpeggio which looks something like what I want, but up to now I haven't really thought of this as an arpeggio. I guess my first question is, this the Sibelius equivalent of what I'm looking for? If so, I might say, it seems strange to me that the arrow for an up arpeggio points down on the actual score, but maybe there is something wrong with my thinking.

I'm guessing this is what I am looking for though the roll is playing a little slow for my taste. Next question is how do I speed it up.

The question after that is how do you do a roll that involves two voices - like in bar two of my example. It appears to me that Arpeggio up is not designed to span two voices. If I am correct, how do I get a roll that does?

Hope this is not too convaluted but I don't know how else to ask it.
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Re: Sib. 7.1: How do a chord roll
Posted by Jim Druckenmiller - 23 Apr 02:06AM (edited 23 Apr 02:22AM)
Hi Woody,

Unless something better has come along in Sib 7, I think the best way to approach this is with a combination of ‘hidden notes’, and ‘silenced notes’.

In your example, you could write out the full chord in one voice (for playback purposes) but hide the note which you want to assign to the 2nd voice.

And on the 2nd voice, select those (duplicated) notes and turn off their playback switch.

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** I have at least two shortcomings I’ll have to confess to here, I’m afraid. . . I’m a Sib 6 user, and don’t recall the layout of the ribbon for this.

1) The playback switch (which I wrote), is better called the ‘Play on Pass’ setting in Sib 6 (it might have changed names in Sib 7).

2) I think its location is within the inspector in Sib 7, under the playback heading, but I’m not completely sure. (In Sib 6 it was. . . >Properties >Playback >Play on Pass setting).

Anyhow, hopefully this will get you pretty close to an acceptable solution. Others will be able to point you in a more precise direction. . . I’m just trying to pass on what I know about this while you’re waiting for the other replies to roll in.


Take Care,

Jim


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edit...

re: the speed of the arpeggio, you can adjust this setting, within the inspector (I think/hope).
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Re: Sib. 7.1: How do a chord roll
Posted by Ray1 - 22 Aug 05:41AM
this is not a work around, its a big heavy task, we need to use a piano roll in piano over the grand staff as a quick composition tool. Please help Sibelius. P L e A s E.
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Re: Sib. 7.1: How do a chord roll
Posted by James - 22 Aug 06:12AM
Sibelius is a notation program. To notate a wavy line, select the chord and on the 5th Keypad, select Arpeggio. You can then extend the wavy line ends up or down appropriately.

If that doesn't play back the way you want it to, you will likely need to create hidden grace notes or other kinds of hidden notes. This is more work because you are using Sibelius as a sequencer, not as a notation program.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: How do a chord roll
Posted by Laurence Payne - 22 Aug 11:19AM (edited 22 Aug 11:21AM)
You need the downloadable Harp Arpeggio plugin. It works on any vertical selection of notes on the same beat, across both piano staves and in any voice. Delay and drection are selectable (the default delay is rather subtle, you'll probably want to increase it). It works by applying Live Position offsets to each note, so Live Playback must be turned on.

Add a suitable arpeggio line from Keypad 5, but turn off its playback effect using Play on Pass in the Inspector.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: How do a chord roll
Posted by JazzKeyboardist - 17 Sep 03:48PM
This is fixed in Sib 8 2023.8. As stated above, highlight the chord you want to "roll", go to the 5th keypad and select the direction of roll (arpeggio) you want, down or up, indicated by arrow. I'm not using it for playback however, just as a chart indication, so I don't know if this will work for you. See attached example.
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Sib. 7.1: How do a chord roll - WoodyS, 23 Apr 12:51AM
     Re: Sib. 7.1: How do a chord roll - Jim Druckenmiller, 23 Apr 02:06AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1: How do a chord roll - Ray1, 22 Aug 05:41AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1: How do a chord roll - James, 22 Aug 06:12AM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1: How do a chord roll - Laurence Payne, 22 Aug 11:19AM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1: How do a chord roll - JazzKeyboardist, 17 Sep 03:48PM