Nearly 8 months Posted by Philip Woodroffe - 07 Sep 10:49PM (edited 09 Sep 03:04PM) Hide picture Who thinks avid should have done an update to benefit all users by now. I think its really disgusting. Give us a date for a general update. -- Macbook pro i7 non retina 2.9ghz 16gb ram 10.14 mojave and windows 10. 1TB SSD boot drive, 2tb storage drive. noteperformer Sibelius 2019.9 Windows pc, i7 8th Gen 6 core, 16gb ram, m.2 NVME boot drive, 2TB spin drive 5200 rpm, and m.2 NVME drive 1TB storage drives. East West symphonic choirs and east west symphonic orchestra with johnathan loving sound sets photoscore 7.2. note performer Musescore, Noteworthy composer, melody assistant and virtual singer. Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by David - 07 Sep 11:35PM Hide picture There has only been one update in the past 9 months. -- Ultimate 2021.2, Windows 10 Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Adrian Drover - 08 Sep 06:52AM Hide picture I haven't bothered to update since 2020.9. What am I missing apart from new bugs? Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Mike Lyons - 08 Sep 08:00AM (edited 08 Sep 08:24AM) Hide picture Nothing, Adrian, because the boys have been trying to get Sib to run on toy computers instead of getting shot of the real bugs and issues with the main program. I think Philip's idea of a refund is a good one. I see red every time I think of having paid out for a 3 year update plan. Well, it's never again. By the time the plan runs out I'll have ported all my files to Dorico. Then they can kiss any part of my anatomy they wish! BTW, Cygnus is correct. There has only been ONE update this year - in early February - and it wasn't much of one. We're now in early September that's 8 months. -- Win 10 Pro x64, Sib Ultimate 2021.2(build 3268) 2.6GHz Intel Core i7 9750H, 32GB,10TB (SSD + 7200rpm HDD), Scarlett 2i4, Sib 6.2,7.5, NotePerformer and others. Si me castigare vis, necesse est me intellexisse. mike@mike-lyons.co.uk Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Laurence Payne - 08 Sep 02:42PM Hide picture 2021.2 was mainly about Accessibility (vital for those who need it), replacing 'Find in Ribbon' with 'Command Search' and a lot of new ManuScript stuff. The sort of thing which will make Bob Z. and other plugin writers happy, and will filter through to us via their creations. But yes, it's about time we got some shiny new toys to play with! Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Rob Tuley - 08 Sep 02:52PM Hide picture I guess they are waiting for Dorico version 4. That should give them some new ideas they can try to rip off, (guess where Command Search came from?) if they can't to think of any for themselves. -- Rob Sib 4.1, Windows 10. Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Laurence Payne - 08 Sep 10:04PM Hide picture >(guess where Command Search came from?) A logical extension of Find in Ribbon? Dorico could well imitate our scripting facilities. Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Philip Woodroffe - 09 Sep 02:52PM Hide picture I dont expect anyone is looking at this, as according to avid, the ipad version was on top of the want lists for features, it doesnt seem people are too happy about it from what you see here? would it not have been more prudent to work on some updates for the pc and mac versions at the same time. We have also been told that there are more engineers now working on the system, I have seen no proof of this, and again anyone from sibelius is again nowhere to be seen. -- Macbook pro i7 non retina 2.9ghz 16gb ram 10.14 mojave and windows 10. 1TB SSD boot drive, 2tb storage drive. noteperformer Sibelius 2019.9 Windows pc, i7 8th Gen 6 core, 16gb ram, m.2 NVME boot drive, 2TB spin drive 5200 rpm, and m.2 NVME drive 1TB storage drives. East West symphonic choirs and east west symphonic orchestra with johnathan loving sound sets photoscore 7.2. note performer Musescore, Noteworthy composer, melody assistant and virtual singer. Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Justin at Sibelius - 09 Sep 03:28PM Hide picture I'm here Philip! All the features we've been working on in the iPad version will be included in the desktop version in the next release, which is happening very soon. We've been ramping up the team and it's already paid dividends in the backend. Fortunately, since we have worked hard toward a unified codebase, we are able to make features for one platform and easily make them work on all the others in quick succession. It also allows us to expand to new platforms quickly. The big difference with the iPad was the overhaul of the UI and the touch-specific and Apple Pencil-specific gestures. That took a lot of work and development time. We learned a lot about how desktop Sibelius can work better and will be releasing those features as they are ready. This is one of the big advantages of Avid's subscription model. We don't have to wait to bundle features every other year or so; you get the latest and greatest as fast as possible. -- Justin Tokke, Senior Product Designer at Sibelius justin.tokke@avid.com Contact the Sibelius support team: https://www.avid.com/learn-and-support/contact-audio-and-music-support KB and other resources: https://www.avid.com/sibelius/learn-and-support Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by David - 09 Sep 07:09PM Hide picture >. This is one of the big advantages of Avid's subscription model. We don't have to wait to bundle features every other year or so; you get the latest and greatest as fast as possible. > > -- Not trying to be argumentative here, just pointing out that you just made our point for us, so you can understand our frustration. Currently, it feels like the "old way" plus subscription payments! Most of us don't have a clue about the iPad version because we can't. Since it's been 9 whole months with only one update (that experienced users won't even look at), it feels like we are back in the days of Sibelius 5 and 6 etc. Except we keep paying and paying. -- Ultimate 2021.2, Windows 10 Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Justin at Sibelius - 09 Sep 08:09PM Hide picture To be fair, we've talked with lots of experienced users who are delighted at the iPad version and use it a lot. This forum isn't representative of the user base like it used to in the old days. But that's ok, we'll take our feedback from all avenues. -- Justin Tokke, Senior Product Designer at Sibelius justin.tokke@avid.com Contact the Sibelius support team: https://www.avid.com/learn-and-support/contact-audio-and-music-support KB and other resources: https://www.avid.com/sibelius/learn-and-support Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Laurence Payne - 09 Sep 09:11PM Hide picture > This forum isn't representative of the user base like it used to in the old days. Inexplicably, users seem to prefer the Facebook forums, where you can’t easily attach sib files to replies, and it can be difficult to find your way back to a previously-visited thread. We must keep reminding them… Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Mike Lyons - 09 Sep 09:31PM Hide picture I'm sorry, Justin, but you are tainted by self-interest here. You have to toe the party line. I bet there's not a single PC user on here who is even remotely interested in a toy computer development which has left them with nothing to show for their investment - even those that use those awful windows surface pro things - and they are awful. I know because my partner has to use one for work. I'm thoroughly disgusted with the lot of you. -- Win 10 Pro x64, Sib Ultimate 2021.2(build 3268) 2.6GHz Intel Core i7 9750H, 32GB,10TB (SSD + 7200rpm HDD), Scarlett 2i4, Sib 6.2,7.5, NotePerformer and others. Si me castigare vis, necesse est me intellexisse. mike@mike-lyons.co.uk Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by David - 09 Sep 09:41PM Hide picture > Inexplicably, users seem to prefer the Facebook forums, A good amount of them are using cracked copies no doubt. Everybody here has paid for the product AFAIK at one point or another, even if they aren't up to date. -- Ultimate 2021.2, Windows 10 Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Laurence Payne - 09 Sep 11:55PM Hide picture > > > Inexplicably, users seem to prefer the Facebook forums, > > A good amount of them are using cracked copies no doubt. Possibly, but I think not. A lot of the conversation is about the vagaries of the licensing system, and many of them seem to have up-to-date copies. This is not the place to discuss cracks, but I don't think there's been a solid one since the Avid licencing system was applied to Sibelius. Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by David - 09 Sep 09:30PM Hide picture > To be fair, we've talked with lots of experienced users who are delighted at the iPad version and use it a lot. This forum isn't representative of the user base like it used to in the old days. Would you like us to leave then? Honestly, that's how your post comes across. If you don't think our points our valid, just say so. Maybe you think it's normal to pay and pay and get nothing. I've never seen it happen before. And when we are "forced" to pay because of some draconian and frankly ridiculous rules, it really adds salt to the wound. People aren't judging the iPad version.... because we literally can't. We have no point of reference. We have nothing except smaller bank accounts and a corporation that is basically forcing longtime customers to keep paying them. And after paying and paying, we're now hearing this? "The kids like it, so screw you longtimers but keep paying?" This is how it comes off, seriously. I'm glad that the 31% of tablet owners enjoy their new product. But telling us "to be fair blah blah" isn't fair. It's condescending and completely missing the point. -- Ultimate 2021.2, Windows 10 Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Mike Lyons - 09 Sep 09:32PM Hide picture Oh how I wish for a "Like" button! -- Win 10 Pro x64, Sib Ultimate 2021.2(build 3268) 2.6GHz Intel Core i7 9750H, 32GB,10TB (SSD + 7200rpm HDD), Scarlett 2i4, Sib 6.2,7.5, NotePerformer and others. Si me castigare vis, necesse est me intellexisse. mike@mike-lyons.co.uk Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Justin at Sibelius - 09 Sep 11:20PM Hide picture I hear you and understand your frustrations. There's been a big gap between releases this year because much of the team's time was dedicated to the iPad platform. Like I said above, much of the work we did will come to and improve the desktop version in due course. We already have some releases lined up but I can't share specifics or timelines because of market restrictions, something that shouldn't be a surprise to you guys who have been with Sibelius for a long time. These things are never announced ahead of time. As a long-time user of Sibelius myself, I've been on these forums for 15 years. There's been a lot of history in that time, from the Avid buy out, introduction of dynamic parts, Sibelius 5's playback roller coaster, the ribbon, the dev team firing, the wandering years, and the climb back with a new team, and moving into the cloud and mobile platforms. Only recently has there been such an extensive team behind Sibelius. We're very much excited to bring our new ideas and innovation to the table. We'll hope to earn back your trust with our next few releases. If you have any particular bugs or feature requests, I'm happy to hear them, my email is always open. Part of my job is to advocate for the long-term users and I definitely want to make sure you guys are taken care of. Let me know if I can help further! -- Justin Tokke, Senior Product Designer at Sibelius justin.tokke@avid.com Contact the Sibelius support team: https://www.avid.com/learn-and-support/contact-audio-and-music-support KB and other resources: https://www.avid.com/sibelius/learn-and-support Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Mike Lyons - 10 Sep 07:17AM (edited 10 Sep 07:25AM) Hide picture > I hear you and understand your frustrations. There's been a big gap between releases this year because much of the team's time was dedicated to the iPad platform. Like I said above, much of the work we did will come to and improve the desktop version in due course. We already have some releases lined up but I can't share specifics or timelines because of market restrictions, something that shouldn't be a surprise to you guys who have been with Sibelius for a long time. These things are never announced ahead of time. That's not an acceptable excuse for shorting us on our investment! > > As a long-time user of Sibelius myself, I've been on these forums for 15 years. There's been a lot of history in that time, from the Avid buy out, introduction of dynamic parts, Sibelius 5's playback roller coaster, the ribbon, the dev team firing, the wandering years, and the climb back with a new team, and moving into the cloud and mobile platforms. Only recently has there been such an extensive team behind Sibelius. We're very much excited to bring our new ideas and innovation to the table. But all you're doing is making promises. At the rate you're going, you'll be beating Boris Johnson's record on empty promises. > > We'll hope to earn back your trust with our next few releases. If you have any particular bugs or feature requests, I'm happy to hear them, my email is always open. Part of my job is to advocate for the long-term users and I definitely want to make sure you guys are taken care of. Let me know if I can help further! "Taken care of"? Well, there's a double meaning to that phrase! The thing is, Justin, that there is a list of new bugs, old bugs and 'features' that's longer than a plogue engine report that have been asked to be fixed over the last 27 years (or thereabouts) that are still not fixed.There's no excuse for not fixingbbugs that have been introduced since sib 7.5 and certainly not for those introduced since 2019. -- Win 10 Pro x64, Sib Ultimate 2021.2(build 3268) 2.6GHz Intel Core i7 9750H, 32GB,10TB (SSD + 7200rpm HDD), Scarlett 2i4, Sib 6.2,7.5, NotePerformer and others. Si me castigare vis, necesse est me intellexisse. mike@mike-lyons.co.uk Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Laurence Payne - 10 Sep 09:38AM (edited 10 Sep 09:39AM) Hide picture The reality is that Sibelius (like Microsoft Office, the Adobe programs etc.) is now a rental product, one way or another. Accept this, or walk. Sorry. Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 10 Sep 09:53PM Hide picture > The reality is that Sibelius (like Microsoft Office, the Adobe programs etc.) is now a rental product, one way or another. Accept this, or walk. Sorry. Actually, as recently as 4 months ago a perpetual license of MS Office 2019 for use on one computer was still available from MS. It was pretty well hidden but I bought 2 licenses. I find it hard to believe that MS is particularly interested in customer satisfaction, but it seems to be better than Avid in this case. -- Patrick O'Keefe Sib 7.5, Sib 2020.12, NotePerformer, S7Sounds Win10 x64 Pro Intel i7-4771, 3.50Ghz, 16GB RAM Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Mike Lyons - 11 Sep 06:05AM Hide picture Same here, Patrick. I also have office 2019 and it continues to work well. Laurence, as sometimes happens has missed the point. It's the lack of updates and the time wasted on toy computers that's pissing me off! -- Win 10 Pro x64, Sib Ultimate 2021.2(build 3268) 2.6GHz Intel Core i7 9750H, 32GB,10TB (SSD + 7200rpm HDD), Scarlett 2i4, Sib 6.2,7.5, NotePerformer and others. Si me castigare vis, necesse est me intellexisse. mike@mike-lyons.co.uk Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Michele Galvagno - 11 Sep 08:28AM Hide picture The server doesn't let me reply. Here is the link to a text file containing my reply ... https://www.dropbox.com/s/7rpfxyuznhgiz3e/Nearly%208%20months%20-%20reply.rtf?dl=0 -- MICHELE GALVAGNO ARTISTIC SCORE ENGRAVING, Owner Sibelius Ultimate 2021.2 MacBook Pro (2016), i7 2.7GHz, 16GB RAM, macOS 11.4.1 Mac mini (2018), i7, 16GB RAM, macOS 10.15.7 Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Adrian Drover - 11 Sep 09:31AM Hide picture But, yeah but, Mike, some people need toy computers. Mainframes are awkward to carry around on the move. Having said that, tho', I always pack a bunch of blank m.s. paper and pencil when I'm away from my desk. I haven't even got round yet to acquiring a mobile phone. My son thinks I'm too old to handle such technology. Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Laurence Payne - 11 Sep 11:05AM (edited 12 Sep 10:39AM) Hide picture >Laurence, as sometimes happens has missed the point. Oh, I get the point! But there's no point in going on and on about Avid's bad behaviour, and the 'politician's promises' made to us when trying to justify the change to a rent/subscribe system. It's like writing essays against Trump or Brexit. Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by James - 13 Sep 04:30PM (edited 13 Sep 04:35PM) Hide picture Yes, but Trump! Brexit! Avid! A guy can't get riled up about anything these days. Wait. I know: The ribbon! The damn ribbon! -- Mac OS 10.14 Mojave Sibelius 6.2 Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 13 Sep 11:47PM Hide picture > Same here, Patrick. I also have office 2019 and it continues to work well. Mike, I am still using Office 2007 which runs fine on Windows 10. Though nowadays (boring!) Power Point presentations seem to be extremely frowned upon in the education sector. Paul Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Mike Lyons - 14 Sep 07:20AM Hide picture We used to have a Deputy Head who always used PowerPoint presentations in briefings and pre-school meetings. We referred to him as "Death by PowerPoint Dave"! -- Win 10 Pro x64, Sib Ultimate 2021.2(build 3268) 2.6GHz Intel Core i7 9750H, 32GB,10TB (SSD + 7200rpm HDD), Scarlett 2i4, Sib 6.2,7.5, NotePerformer and others. Si me castigare vis, necesse est me intellexisse. mike@mike-lyons.co.uk Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 14 Sep 02:46PM (edited 14 Sep 02:47PM) Hide picture > We used to have a Deputy Head who always used PowerPoint presentations in briefings and pre-school meetings. We referred to him as "Death by PowerPoint Dave"! Mike, Ha ha . . . Or even death by (Albert) Power-Point! ;-) Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Mike Lyons - 14 Sep 10:16PM Hide picture Indeed - and he was often hoist on his own petard! ;-) -- Win 10 Pro x64, Sib Ultimate 2021.2(build 3268) 2.6GHz Intel Core i7 9750H, 32GB,10TB (SSD + 7200rpm HDD), Scarlett 2i4, Sib 6.2,7.5, NotePerformer and others. Si me castigare vis, necesse est me intellexisse. mike@mike-lyons.co.uk Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 14 Sep 11:26PM Hide picture > Indeed - and he was often hoist on his own petard! ;-) Mike, Personally I always thought he sounded like a really nice guy. ;-) Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Philip Woodroffe - 15 Sep 11:25PM (edited 15 Sep 11:37PM) Hide picture > I hear you and understand your frustrations. There's been a big gap between releases this year because much of the team's time was dedicated to the iPad platform. Like I said above, much of the work we did will come to and improve the desktop version in due course. We already have some releases lined up but I can't share specifics or timelines because of market restrictions, something that shouldn't be a surprise to you guys who have been with Sibelius for a long time. These things are never announced ahead of time. so you mean to tell me after all this time you couldnt have given us poor mac and pc users at least some sort of update? even a bug fix!!! As a long-time user of Sibelius myself, I've been on these forums for 15 years. There's been a lot of history in that time, from the Avid buy out, introduction of dynamic parts, Sibelius 5's playback roller coaster, the ribbon, the dev team firing, the wandering years, and the climb back with a new team, and moving into the cloud and mobile platforms. Only recently has there been such an extensive team behind Sibelius. We're very much excited to bring our new ideas and innovation to the table. > as a long time user yourself? I bet you do not have to pay 300 quid every few years to stay on the wagon or face a penalty fee for not keeping up with the subscription. Try to see it from the point of view of paying hundreds of pounds for an update that is absolutely no use to you and essentially getting 0 in return. The moving to cloud and mobile platforms, ah yes what did you do then? focused all your efforts on making another app for Ipad to run scorch, this seems like history repeating itself again. > We'll hope to earn back your trust with our next few releases. If you have any particular bugs or feature requests, I'm happy to hear them, my email is always open. Part of my job is to advocate for the long-term users and I definitely want to make sure you guys are taken care of. Let me know if I can help further! at the start of this subscription nonsense, things were starting to feel a little more assured, but the recent lack of updates and radio silence until people started to squeal does nothing to assure me, and for you to say that our views on this forum are irrelevant essentially that just about proves the value you have in your loyal customers. none Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Rob Tuley - 16 Sep 12:06AM Hide picture Just to note that while you are all waiting for something from Avid, Steinberg has just released the **second** update to its own iPad notation app. And that includes some "preemptive bug-fixes" to handle problems in the next Apple update (IOS version 15) due later this month. -- Rob Sib 4.1, Windows 10. Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Rob Tuley - 16 Sep 12:11AM (edited 16 Sep 12:14AM) Hide picture > We'll hope to earn back your trust with our next few releases. Justin, eventually you might realize that it takes five minutes to lose someone's trust, and fifty years to get it back. But so long as Avid are paying you (read: the people who haven't yet voted with their feet are paying you!) I guess you don't care either way. In any case, it doesn't matter much what the "loyal customer base" do. Either they stop being loyal customers, or they die of old age. What you should be worrying about is where your new customers will be coming from, when they can get Musescore for free, or buy much more functionality from elsewhere. -- Rob Sib 4.1, Windows 10. Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Robert Enns - 16 Sep 12:32AM Hide picture I think implying Justin doesn’t care is uncalled for. And “eventually you might realize” is just condescending. I’m a Dorico user since version 1 as well as a Sibelius user since version 1. -- Rob Win 10 64 bit, 3.1 GHz, 8 Gigs RAM Sibelius 2021.2, Sibelius Sounds 7.1.2, NotePerformer 3, Dorico 3.5, GPO4, GPO5 Photo score 8.0.4 Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by David - 25 Sep 04:01PM Hide picture Is this thing on? Anybody? Bueller? Bueller? -- Ultimate 2021.2, Windows 10 Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Rob Tuley - 25 Sep 10:37PM Hide picture > And “eventually you might realize” is just condescending. It's no more patronizing and condescending than his own comments like "my email is always open" and "I feel your pain". So far, he's contributed precisely zilch IMO. -- Rob Sib 4.1, Windows 10. Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Mike Lyons - 28 Sep 02:58PM Hide picture In 3 days it's going to be October! Jus' sayin'! -- Win 10 Pro x64, Sib Ultimate 2021.2(build 3268) 2.6GHz Intel Core i7 9750H, 32GB,10TB (SSD + 7200rpm HDD), Scarlett 2i4, Sib 6.2,7.5, NotePerformer and others. Si me castigare vis, necesse est me intellexisse. mike@mike-lyons.co.uk Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by David - 28 Sep 05:32PM Hide picture I imagine that other notation software developers watch Avid and just laugh and realize that they have job security. I use Sibelius but I could never recommend it to anybody because of Avid. Indefensible at this point. -- Ultimate 2021.2, Windows 10 Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Justin at Sibelius - 29 Sep 08:10PM Hide picture > In 3 days it's going to be October! Jus' sayin'! And three days left in the quarter. Do the math and I would expect something to be coming this week. -- Justin Tokke, Senior Product Designer at Sibelius justin.tokke@avid.com Contact the Sibelius support team: https://www.avid.com/learn-and-support/contact-audio-and-music-support KB and other resources: https://www.avid.com/sibelius/learn-and-support Back to top | All threads

Re: Nearly 6 months Posted by Mike Lyons - 29 Sep 09:03PM (edited 29 Sep 09:09PM) Hide picture Funnily enough, Justin, I was doing that for the last two quarters - but I drew a blank! Never-the-less, I will clench my buttocks and wait to be shafted yet again! -- Win 10 Pro x64, Sib Ultimate 2021.2(build 3268) 2.6GHz Intel Core i7 9750H, 32GB,10TB (SSD + 7200rpm HDD), Scarlett 2i4, Sib 6.2,7.5, NotePerformer and others. Si me castigare vis, necesse est me intellexisse. mike@mike-lyons.co.uk Back to top | All threads