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How do you compose? What is your methodology - Create, 08 Sep 03:26PM
     Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Adrian Drover, 08 Sep 05:24PM
         Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Pierre, 08 Sep 08:25PM
             Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Pierre, 08 Sep 08:39PM
                 Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Chris Crawley, 09 Sep 09:59AM
                     Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - James, 09 Sep 04:47PM
                         Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Create, 10 Sep 01:01AM
                             Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Adrian Drover, 10 Sep 05:58AM
                                 Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Create, 10 Sep 01:48PM
                                     Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Laurence Payne, 10 Sep 03:49PM
                                         Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Create, 10 Sep 05:45PM
                                             Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Chris Crawley, 10 Sep 07:08PM
                                                 Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Laurence Payne, 10 Sep 07:20PM
                                             Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Patrick O'Keefe, 10 Sep 09:39PM
                                                 Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Mark Isaacs, 10 Sep 11:09PM
                                                     Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Create, 11 Sep 12:51AM
                                                         Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Peter Roos, 11 Sep 01:00AM
                                                         Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Patrick O'Keefe, 11 Sep 02:31AM
                                                             Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Create, 11 Sep 03:16AM
                                                                 Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Patrick O'Keefe, 11 Sep 04:31AM
                                                                     Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Adrian Drover, 11 Sep 06:51AM
                                                                         Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Laurence Payne, 11 Sep 09:29AM
                                                                         Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Laurence Payne, 11 Sep 09:30AM
                                                                         Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Adrian Drover, 11 Sep 09:41AM
                                                                             Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Mark Isaacs, 11 Sep 11:33AM
                                                                                 Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Create, 11 Sep 01:18PM
                                                                                     Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Paul from Australia, 11 Sep 02:06PM
                                                                                         Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Chris Crawley, 11 Sep 02:29PM
                                                                                             Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Laurence Payne, 11 Sep 02:47PM
                                                                                                 Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Mike Lyons, 11 Sep 09:29PM
                                                                                                     Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Chris Crawley, 11 Sep 09:50PM
                                                                                                         Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Peter Roos, 12 Sep 03:13AM
                                                                                                             Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Adrian Drover, 12 Sep 06:02AM
                                                                                                                 Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Mike Lyons, 12 Sep 08:58AM
                                                                                                                     Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Laurence Payne, 12 Sep 10:37AM

How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Create - 08 Sep 03:26PM (edited 08 Sep 09:44PM)
I understand the idea of first making a mockup to define the structure of the hole piece, it probably stems from an academic method of composition, defined in the oficial "Theoty of music".
I compose in a naive uneducated way, letting the thing grow out of it's own accord as I go along getting new ideas. I feel that it is hearing good sound , that sparks my composition ideas. So as a very personal thing. No point in me starting with anything but the best sounds I can afford. I find that the piano sound and the fact that the piano can play 10 or more notes simultaneously and sound good makes this instrument an excellent starting point. I often first play it on the piano, write it down, and then disect it into different voices testing which Intrument fits each voice best.
If it was not for modern technology, to do this I would have to enslave a thousand musitians, preferably from all over the world, so I could make them play my melodies on their instruments when ever I liked, even at 3.00 am in the morning. I would even have to enslave a few ghost musicians to play on instruments that produce imaginary sounds.

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Adrian Drover - 08 Sep 05:24PM (edited 08 Sep 06:29PM)
Rather than struggle to think of something new to write, I usually let the ideas come to me. Very often, I first come up with a silly title for inspiration. On one such occasion, I was watching the Apollo 13 movie and I came up with the really stupid title of "Euston, We Have a Problem". So this had to be something related to trains. I very often borrow (I mean, steal) a ready made chord sequence as a start for re-composition, and this time I chose the changes from Ellington's "Take the A Train". OK, everything going well, but I needed an interlude in a much different style. My grandson was watching Thomas the Tank Engine on TV. So I decided a bit of the sig tune would be perfect for some comedy relief. I googled the theme tune, and to my utter surprise discovered that it was in the same key, and the tune and chord changes were so much alike to the Ellington chart too (see attached). So I wasn't the only one ripping off Strayhorn's work.
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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Pierre - 08 Sep 08:25PM (edited 09 Sep 04:45AM)
For instrumental contemporary music, I usually establish in advance what will be the instrumentation. I'm not a pianist but I use the piano to compose. I write the music directly on the master score, because as I compose, I need to see the evolution of the music as a whole with all its instruments. In general, I never have a preconceived plan on how the piece will sound and I'm not influenced by any extra musical material (books, paintings etc...). Then I'll fiddle around on the piano and come up with a sequence of notes (sort of a theme but not treated in a classical way) or just a chord that will satisfy me. With these elements in place, that's when I'll start the piece. A sequence of notes will generate chords with which I can work with or on the contrary, a chord will give me a sequence of notes. Nothing is fixed though, I don't consider this material as serial. It's just a starting point that will evolve and develop. The form comes about while composing. The only exception I have is a series of pieces called trajectories based on the theme of the art of the fugue by Bach (D A F D C#).

I have very little experience in writing music for movies and even if the basic composing process is the same, my personal view in this case, is that the music is there to serve the film. I don't think the music can go opposite of the pictures. Composing starts with what you see.

Composing electronic music is another ball game because with the technology we have today, everything is possible. But then again, even in this situation, I still need to impose myself a given frame and it would seem awkward for me to compose without following a red line.

Composing jazz themes is more straightforward and classical, since I compose the music that I like to play, jazz, blues and bossa.

I'm always in a high level of excitement and happiness when I start a blank score. No place for suffering.

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Pierre - 08 Sep 08:39PM
I couldn't update my message. The server denied my access. Anyway this is what I wanted to add.

I also do a lot of singing while composing, sometimes it just comes out. And not having been trained in a music school, the fact of being able to playback and hear what I write, was really a time saver over the years.

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Chris Crawley - 09 Sep 09:59AM
When I compose, the processes are a combination of the structured and the intuitive.

Integral to my music is a set, or sets, of pitches derived from combining different harmonic series and in one piece I will typically use three or four related, but different sets of pitches. So an early step is to define these and print them out on a crib-sheet.

This may be preceded by generating musical material (probably not anything recognisable as a melody) which has some kind of pitch and/or rhythmic shape.

Usually I know what the instrumentation will be very early on. I will also usually have a general idea of the mood and the shape of the piece.

Occasionally, but rarely, an idea may occur to me spontaneously, away from the computer. I may write it down, or simply hold it in my mind and keep working on it mentally.

I compose directly into the computer. Often I will write a few bars and leave them for some time to allow subconscious processes to operate. I will look at what I've written and pick it apart to see what potential it has for development.

As the piece grows I continuously revisit and revise my initial ideas about its shape, both of the section I'm working on and the overall piece. I may move what I've written and precede it by new material; I like to think there is a kind of plasticity to what I'm doing.

If I'm writing for large forces I work on a reduced version for a few key instruments first and fully orchestrate later.

One of the things that I treasure is the excitement of composing. I vividly remember an interview with Brian Ferneyhough in which he spoke of the adventure of composing music - how what is produced has the capacity to surprise even the composer. (For those who know Ferneyhough's stuff, that may come as a shock - and I should add that I don't particularly like his music.)

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by James - 09 Sep 04:47PM (edited 09 Sep 04:50PM)
I like to be alone when composing, with no distractions and no worries that I'm driving someone insane who has to listen to the same little bit over and over again. I also prefer to practice my instruments alone but I've gotten more used to my significant other, who lives with me, being there for some of my practicing. If someone else is present when you are creating, some little part of you is performing, and that takes away from the 100% of you that needs to be absorbed in discovery.

Composition is discovery! You bring the sum total of your life to it and discover what wants to sound. Improvisation is composition in real time so sometimes I begin there. I'm very interested in thematic development, which to me is the heart of classical music. So once I have ideas, I often work out all sorts of variations, counterpoints, developments, etc. with them, and so on. I love an organic balance of unity and variety, like a tree is balanced. It has leaves and branches and lopsidedness, open spaces. It has varied repetition, each leaf unique and yet of a whole.

An extremely important thing to understand is the on/off switch for your inner critic. Turn off your inner critic to free flow, to brainstorm ideas. Turn it back on to refine, revise, rewrite, throw out, and so on. It may or may not be an on/off switch. It may be more of a dial that you can turn up and turn down. But be aware that too much inner criticism is paralysis and too little is triteness or shoddiness.

Probably the most important thing is to get yourself in the chair and do it. Just do it. Because all kinds of excuses are so easy.

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Create - 10 Sep 01:01AM
This thread is fun, stimulating and insrtuctive reading.

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Adrian Drover - 10 Sep 05:58AM
Yes, but when you boil it all down, it's just a matter of grabbing a bunch of notes and putting them in the right order.

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Create - 10 Sep 01:48PM (edited 11 Sep 12:54AM)
I learnt recently from  a very good youtube video entitled "Great Performances Now Hear This the Riddle of Bach" that Vivaldi inspired Bach to write his music which was essentially dance music and that King Louis XIV of France was an enthusiastic dancer and had a great influence on the development of a new form of dance.

The following I wrote very recently is a very long foreword to a composition I am working on now.

.......Academicians would I suspect rightly criticise my music because much of it is totally lacking in traditional structure and for not having a theme that joins each work or section, for writing music that appears to be nothing more than a worthless string of unrelated short phrases. Although not proficient, I am capable of structuring music in the traditional way, but I sometimes choose not to. I feel that as in a novel, or a simple short article like this I am writing now, the phrases in my compositions relate to each other imperceptibly but intrinsically, while each phrase I hope, tells its own story, has its own unlike message, its own distinctive feeling.
I give great value to the wise advice my only composition teacher in Morley College London gave us; always surprize, never let the listener predict your next note.

I find so much popular music so predictable, so boring, especially the newest trends, that are more and more each year so repetitively predictable that they drive me to sleep, extravagance and vulgarity will never substitute talent, sincerity, and originality; which is why true artists of popular music like Sid Barret , Pink Floyd, Cream, Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Kate Bush, Jimmy Hendrix and yes of course The Beatles, will always be, will always remain in history; while the untalented, insincere, unconfident will all soon disappear into oblivion. Like so many of Madonna’s talentless female imitators, like so many infantile rappers and so many glittery pop stars, who scared of real originality, stick to the silly, little, repetitive, safe, sound patterns of the latest trendy genre; feebly pretending to chock or entertain us by dressing like clowns or fools or prostitutes in unimaginative, sometimes vulgar, sometimes grotesque or tasteless, always simple, talentless videos.......

This new work in progress is probably not very good at all. I sometimes think that I'm not young enough to compose well. That my best work was done years ago when I was full of confidence and every new composition filled me with wonder and delight. I feel that perhaps then although infinitely less experienced I had greater mental power and faith in myself and that this was reflected in my work. I remember when I was very young I heard hole compositions in full orchestration in my dreams, but then I was not capable of writing music, by the time I learnt to write music the musical dreams where gone, I only have one piece that was partly heard in a dream. Today I am full of worries, about health, money and the present pandemic and this hinders the quality of my work. I believe that all arts including composition, even if we are not aware of it, are a mirror of ourselves and a mirror of how we feel. I suspect that Beethoven felt he was amongst the greatest and partly therefore he was.


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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Laurence Payne - 10 Sep 03:49PM
Don't waste your (and our) time listing the music you DON'T like.

Don't apologise for what you ARE presenting to us. If it's bad, keep it to yourself!

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Create - 10 Sep 05:45PM (edited 10 Sep 05:50PM)
DON'T Laurence
Don't tell people what to do or not to do. Live and let live.
Don't speak in plural when you refer to yourself. Others will not like it.
Don't express your aggression to people who are not aggressive toward you. You will only feel worse than you already do.
Don't waist your time reading what you don't want to read, nobody is forcing you to read. The beauty of the written word is that you choose to read or not to read.
Don't waist your time writing personally to me. I will not respond or read what you write.

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Chris Crawley - 10 Sep 07:08PM
I have to say that your response to Laurence is uncalled for. He can be blunt, but if you re-read what you put, you'll see you did have a bit of a rant yourself.

To comment on something else you put - you speak of being full of worries and how you feel this hinders your work. It's worth remembering that artists have often had to put up with all kinds of problems. Look at Beethoven, for instance. Apart from the appalling experience of gradually losing his hearing over two decades, he suffered from painful stomach problems (possibly what we would recognise as IBS) for over thirty years before his death. He also had cirrhosis of the liver, kidney problems, an enlarged pancreas and lead poisoning. Probably he also had syphilis. But somehow he kept composing.
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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Laurence Payne - 10 Sep 07:20PM
"Don't waist your time..."

OK, I'm a bit overweight. But there's no need to mock me for it :-)

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 10 Sep 09:39PM
My first reaction when seeing this thread was "Why?". What is this doing on the Sibelius forum?

My next reaction was "Who cares how we compose?". You will find your own way. Trying to match how other do it - how anybody else does it - is not going to work. If you need help, find a teacher/tutor/mentor to work with. He or she can direct, or at least nudge you, based on your goals and needs.

> Don't tell people what to do or not to do. Live and let live.
> Don't speak in plural when you refer to yourself. Others will not like it.
> Don't express your aggression to people who are not aggressive toward you. You will only feel worse than you already do.
> Don't waist your time reading what you don't want to read, nobody is forcing you to read. The beauty of the written word is that you choose to read or not to read.
> Don't waist your time writing personally to me. I will not respond or read what you write.

As near as I can tell, everything point you made is at odds with "Don't tell people what to do or not to do".

Laurence knows this group well enough to be certain that there will be multiple people who agree with (and many who disagree with) just about anything he says on a topic such as this. His use of the plural seems appropriate to me.

It's difficult to know that you don't want to read something until you've read it. Then it's too late; you've been robbed of your time. That can provoke aggression.

Both of the points Laurence made are good.

And why in heaven's name would we care how you feels about popular music? Sheesh.
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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Mark Isaacs - 10 Sep 11:09PM
I would characterise Laurence's post as "tough love". I don't want to talk about how I compose, because I don't know, but I do know that "tough love" from others - and indeed self-delivered - has helped me enormously. I also have been sensitive at times, so understand too the OP biting back. But, aside from quibbling about the tone, what Laurence says strikes me as a helpful model for creating anything.

I do enjoy the recursive philosophical and ethical glaring contradiction inherent in "Don't tell people what to do or not to do.". An instruction to not make instructions!! :)

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Create - 11 Sep 12:51AM (edited 11 Sep 01:11AM)
I started this thread, It was my wish that people would write exclusively about their experiences with composition, I have done so, I have perhaps written to much, I will not write any more after this in this thread.
I prefer to read other peoples life experience of the wonderful thing that is creating, composing music. I hope many more people will write about this here, this could become and in fact it has already begun to become an inspiring and revealing compilation. I wrote the honest truth about what I think about the subject of this thread, nothing to be ashamed of.
My experience of composition, that includes my lack of inspiration that I wish to share, I am sure others can identify with this, I also wrote about the saddening path some popular music composers have chosen.
It seems there is a little clan more interested in petty quibbles then in music.
I wish they would start their own thread and leave this thread for those who want to share their composition experiences, be they whatever they may be. Please let's just allow people to just write their experiences in a peaceful and friendly environment.

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Peter Roos - 11 Sep 01:00AM
An enjoyable and interested thread.

@Adrian: talking about inspiration, do you think that Elmer Bernstein might have been inspired by Thomas The Tank Engine, when he wrote the famous main theme for Ghostbusters?

Thomas the Tank Engine:

https://youtu.be/GnrwM7vFn_U

Ghostbusters:

https://youtu.be/EVYnUE04ZsA



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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 11 Sep 02:31AM

> It seems there is a little clan more interested in petty quibbles then in music.

I think it is more that you picked a forum devoted to Sibelius to discuss a topic unrelated to Sibelius.

Maybe you should look at the Compose Forums:
http://www.composeforums.com/
Its a collection of fora dedicated to composers helping composers. A couple of the members of the forum are professional composers, but many are amateurs or beginners.


There you can discuss ideas with composers in the act of composing.


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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Create - 11 Sep 03:16AM (edited 11 Sep 04:23AM)
a topic unrelated to Sibelius?

Maybe you should look at

avid.com/sibelius/education Sibelius composing software
Maybe you should leave this thread to people interested in composing with Sibelius, who by the way was a composer.

There are 23 Current threads in Sibelius at the moment I'm sure there is one that you do like.

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 11 Sep 04:31AM
> a topic unrelated to Sibelius?
>
Perhaps I should have said unrelated to the theme of this forum which is labeled "sibelius.users.tech-support". Yes, there are many "off topic" threads is this forum (including ones from me) but "How do you compose" strays pretty far from "tech support".

As I said, there are fora related to composition. You would do better there (although some of them seem to be populated by people that just want to be praised for there compositions). The one I mentioned before is definitely oriented towards education.

By the way, earlier you said "I sometimes think that I'm not young enough to compose well". Arvo Pärt is still composing at 85. Olivier Messiaen was composing up to his death at 84. Alan Hovhaness was composing until his death at 91.



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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Adrian Drover - 11 Sep 06:51AM (edited 11 Sep 08:59AM)
Posted by Peter Roos - 11 Sep 01:00
do you think that Elmer Bernstein might have been inspired by Thomas The Tank Engine, when he wrote the famous main theme for Ghostbusters?
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Possibly, Peter, who knows? Same starting key. Both have the same two-beat tuba style bass line. Both have the irritating habit of melody & bass lines doubling each other in places. I'll have to report my findings to the fat controller.

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Laurence Payne - 11 Sep 09:29AM
@Create I'd probably have made the same comments in a composer forum.

P.S. Madonna is very upset about your scathing personal attack. I fear you've driven her from this forum for good.

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Laurence Payne - 11 Sep 09:30AM
> I'll have to report my findings to the fat controller.

Would you all PLEASE stop going on about my weight!

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Adrian Drover - 11 Sep 09:41AM
Olivier Messiaen was composing up to his death at 84. Alan Hovhaness was composing until his death at 91.

I hope I will still be arranging and composing until my expiry date comes along. Then I can start decomposing.
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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Mark Isaacs - 11 Sep 11:33AM
Elliot Carter composed until he was 104.

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Create - 11 Sep 01:18PM (edited 11 Sep 01:29PM)
I have allready stated that I've had my say in this and I will not write more about composition. I would also like to stop writing altogether so please stop confronting me. Many people have shown their interest in this subject.
O'Keefe, are you so selfish that because you feel personally alluded by one of my coments you want to spoil it for everyone else? It is for moderators to decide what is appropriate.
I invite members once again to continue to contribute. No need to feel intimidated by habitual forum users who feel they own the forum. They don't, I'm not.
Thank you all who have encouraged me to continue composing.

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Paul from Australia - 11 Sep 02:06PM
For me as I only compose for piano,

I decide on how the piano will be used = technical issues, avant garde notation aspect, piano position in hall, the need of an assistant etc.

Then I decide on the structure and duration of the piece.

Then I start designing the score, which will be about 30% notated with Sibelius, and the rest graphic notation using a few other programs.

Each page of the score starts of as a blank A3 sheet of paper and will almost definitely be landscape orientation. As I already have a roadmap to the finish, from then on it is just very hard work. I may spend four or five hours creating one page.

My prize winning composition Audacious Binary Forms for one pianist and one or two pianos was written using the above method.

If anyone is interested in seeing the score I can give out say four scores (over 50 A3 pages in full colour) reduced to a 15MB file.

Before asking for the score, please check out the world premiere performance by Michael Kieran Harvey who is considered by some as being Australia's greatest living concert pianist. He is a prolific composer of avant garde music.

Here is a link to the video.

Make sure you play in high definition with the volume turned up. Because the performance was live streamed, the quality of the sound and the video is not as good as a pre-recorded version.

Seeya at the video, and don't forget to ask me for a copy of the score, if you seriously want one; limited to four requests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CYvDtMtTLY&t=706s

Best wishes in your music making and seeya.

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Chris Crawley - 11 Sep 02:29PM
"O'Keefe, are you so selfish that because you feel personally alluded by one of my coments you want to spoil it for everyone else? It is for moderators to decide what is appropriate."

Having re-read Patrick's comments I really have no idea where this criticism of him is coming from. Among other points, he suggested a forum that could be of interest.

I would tactfully suggest you're being a little too prickly and over-reactive. And if you really want to stop adding to this thread, that's what you must do, not keep coming back and complaining.

I don't think there is any problem with discussing composing as a topic here; it's not central to the purpose of this site, which is to exchange helpful information about Sibelius the notation program, but it's not that far off-topic. As it happens, I feel it has produced quite a lot of interesting comments, among other things.



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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Laurence Payne - 11 Sep 02:47PM
> I don't think there is any problem with discussing composing as a topic here; it's not central to the purpose of this site, which is to exchange helpful information about Sibelius the notation program, but it's not that far off-topic. As it happens, I feel it has produced quite a lot of interesting comments, among other things.


Absolutely! This isn't a forum that's obsessed with being on-topic. I can only recall one serious intervention by moderators, when we got a bit too enthusiastic praising Dorico over Sibelius (really Steinberg over Avid of course :-)

Please don't let my opinions on how best to sell yourself put you off!

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Mike Lyons - 11 Sep 09:29PM
You know, you go into hospital for a few days and come back to this! Can I not leave you children on your own for five minutes? ;-)

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Chris Crawley - 11 Sep 09:50PM
Hope you're recovering well, Mike.

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Peter Roos - 12 Sep 03:13AM
Let's all chill folks.

Everything music related is fair game for this chat page.

1. How do you compose, on computer, DAW, piano, or writing out notes with a pencil on a piece of paper.

2. What program you use, whether it be Sibelius or Dorico or Finale.

Just keep it respectful. We all come from different places, with different experiences.



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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Adrian Drover - 12 Sep 06:02AM (edited 12 Sep 06:09AM)
Posted by Mike Lyons - 11 Sep 21:29
You know, you go into hospital for a few days and come back to this!
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Hadn't noticed you were away from forum, Mike. Glad you are still fit and active. The forum needs you. I think the rumpus was purely a misunderstanding of personality. It happens when there is no eye to eye contact in discussion. Everything's fine. Cheers and stay safe. Ade.

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Mike Lyons - 12 Sep 08:58AM
I've been on the naughty step for a week or so, but I ended up with a pulmonary embolism in my right lung. I'm well enough to type, but I can't shout at the kids when they misbehave! :-)

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Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology
Posted by Laurence Payne - 12 Sep 10:37AM (edited 12 Sep 10:38AM)
>I'm well enough to type, but I can't shout at the kids when they misbehave! :-)
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We'll have to try to be good then!

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How do you compose? What is your methodology - Create, 08 Sep 03:26PM
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                 Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Chris Crawley, 09 Sep 09:59AM
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                         Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Create, 10 Sep 01:01AM
                             Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Adrian Drover, 10 Sep 05:58AM
                                 Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Create, 10 Sep 01:48PM
                                     Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Laurence Payne, 10 Sep 03:49PM
                                         Re: How do you compose? What is your methodology - Create, 10 Sep 05:45PM
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