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Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - marvinglenn, 26 Jun 11:12PM
     Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - Adrian Drover, 27 Jun 06:31AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - Mark Isaacs, 27 Jun 07:09AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - Mike Lyons, 27 Jun 07:25AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - marvinglenn, 28 Jun 05:05PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - Robin Walker, 28 Jun 05:12PM
     Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - Robin Walker, 27 Jun 08:25AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - Adrian Drover, 27 Jun 10:20AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - marvinglenn, 28 Jun 05:21PM
         Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - marvinglenn, 28 Jun 05:27PM
             Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - Robin Walker, 28 Jun 07:00PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - marvinglenn, 28 Jun 07:57PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - Robin Walker, 28 Jun 08:43PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - marvinglenn, 29 Jun 04:24PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - Robin Walker, 29 Jun 04:44PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - marvinglenn, 29 Jun 06:31PM

Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols
Posted by marvinglenn - 26 Jun 11:12PM
Hello,

In this Sibelius 7 Ultimate version I've lost the ability to hold Control and then use the number 7,8, and 9 to create accidentals (like B flat or F sharp)in a score.

I've been trying in the "engraving rules" and in the menu of the "edit text styles" section but nothing helps

Please tell me how to get my power back.

Thank you so much!

Marvin Glenn

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols
Posted by Adrian Drover - 27 Jun 06:31AM (edited 27 Jun 06:42AM)
See other post of 26/6 headed 'Accidentals in plain text'. My favourite solution is to change "b" or "#" into flat & sharp characters in Text/Format/CharacterStyle. Choose MusicText. Ctrl.7 thru' 9 seems to work OK in Technique but not in Plain Text. They have different word menus assigned.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols
Posted by Mark Isaacs - 27 Jun 07:09AM (edited 27 Jun 07:12AM)
The OP's issue with ctrl-7, 8 & 9 not creating accidentals can be related to Num Lock on the computer keyboard's keypad. Make sure "Num Lock" is set to on, on the computer keyboard keypad.

But perhaps the issue is simply that you are trying to use Plain Text as you talk about in the other thread, which Adrian is helping you with.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols
Posted by Mike Lyons - 27 Jun 07:25AM
I create accidental symbols all the time. My fingers just refuse to obey me, sometimes! ;-)

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols
Posted by marvinglenn - 28 Jun 05:05PM
Thanks Mark.

I've been following everyone's instructions as best I can and I'm still unable to get the chord symbols for flats and sharps to be right.

Can you provide me with specific, detailed instructions for getting this accomplished please?

Thank you
Marvin Glenn

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols
Posted by Robin Walker - 28 Jun 05:12PM
> Can you provide me with specific, detailed instructions for getting this accomplished please?

Exactly which version number of Sibelius are you using?
In which "Text Style" are you trying to type sharps and flats?

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols
Posted by Robin Walker - 27 Jun 08:25AM
> In this Sibelius 7 Ultimate version

There is no such thing as Sibelius 7 Ultimate.

Exactly which version number of Sibelius are you using?
In which "Text Style" are you trying to type sharps and flats?

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols
Posted by Adrian Drover - 27 Jun 10:20AM
Hi, Marvin. You asked:

"Please tell me how to get my power back."

Pay your bill, then ask your supplier nicely to switch you back on.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols
Posted by marvinglenn - 28 Jun 05:21PM
Thanks Robin!

I know I'm using Sibelius Ultimate which I just bought recently. I'm not finding the number. The version is 2020.3.

Thank you.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols
Posted by marvinglenn - 28 Jun 05:27PM
To answer your other question: I'm trying to use Georgia Bold Italic. I've always used it in the past with Sibelius.

I went to Text/Styles/Music Text and edited it to Georgia/Bold Italic.

I also tried Appearance/Engraving Rules/Chord Symbols and couldn't figure out what to edit.

Thanks.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols
Posted by Robin Walker - 28 Jun 07:00PM
> I'm trying to use Georgia Bold Italic. I've always used it in the past with Sibelius.

That was not my question. I was asking: in what Sibelius Text Style are you trying to write accidentals? Was it Expression Text, or Technique Text, or what?

> I went to Text/Styles/Music Text and edited it to Georgia/Bold Italic.

That is not a legitimate setting for the Text Style "Music Text". You must not use any plain text font for "Music Text". The only acceptable fonts for "Music Texts" are bespoke fonts in a custom layout of special musical symbols for Sibelius. Please restore the setting for "Music Text" to one of the allowed settings for Sibelius:
- Opus Text Std
- Helsinki Text Std

> I also tried Appearance/Engraving Rules/Chord Symbols and couldn't figure out what to edit.

What connection have Chord Symbols with your enquiry?

I am completely baffled as to what you are trying to achieve. Please start from scratch and explain carefully what your objective is.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols
Posted by marvinglenn - 28 Jun 07:57PM
Thank you for trying to help me, Robin.

My objective is to be able to enter Chord Symbols into a Sibelius piano manuscript. All of my chord symbols are fine except for any chord symbol needing to show an accidental such as B flat or F sharp.

The flat and sharp signs appear only as a strange mark inside of the chord symbol.

I my previous version of Sibelius I used control and the numbers 7, 8, or 9 to accomplish this.

My Sibelius Ultimate version is 2020.3. I'm not sure if I'm using 7 or 8.

Thanks again, Robin.
Marvin

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols
Posted by Robin Walker - 28 Jun 08:43PM
What font do you have configured for Text Style "Chord Symbols"?

Are you using Legacy Chord Symbol Text, or new-style Chord Symbol objects?

Using Ctrl-7, 8, or 9 makes no sense for Chord Symbols, as Sibelius Chord Symbols use lower-case 'b' for Flat, and hash for Sharp.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols
Posted by marvinglenn - 29 Jun 04:24PM
Hi Robin,
It seems the real problem is that I don't know what I'm doing when trying to choose or edit styles.

To answer your questions: I'm using Georgia bold italic for my chord symbols. Legacy chord symbols text I guess?

The lower-case "b" and the # are not showing up properly in my chord symbols.

I'm attaching a screen print of my manuscript to show how the chord symbols appear in my work.

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols
Posted by Robin Walker - 29 Jun 04:44PM (edited 29 Jun 05:15PM)
> To answer your questions: I'm using Georgia bold italic for my chord symbols.

That font is not acceptable.

The only font that you can use for Text Style "Chord Symbols" is one of the "chord" fonts that are supplied with Sibelius. These fonts have custom layouts for the special features of writing chords, including the special symbols. You cannot use plain text fonts such as Georgia for writing chords in music.

I take it that you are inputting chords by starting with Ctrl-k (Windows) or Command-k (macOS)?

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols
Posted by marvinglenn - 29 Jun 06:31PM
Thank You Robin for all your help!!

I went back to the Reference Guide and, with your help, figured it out. Everything, as of now, works well and the way I want it.

Good Day!!
Marvin

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Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - marvinglenn, 26 Jun 11:12PM
     Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - Adrian Drover, 27 Jun 06:31AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - Mark Isaacs, 27 Jun 07:09AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - Mike Lyons, 27 Jun 07:25AM
             Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - marvinglenn, 28 Jun 05:05PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - Robin Walker, 28 Jun 05:12PM
     Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - Robin Walker, 27 Jun 08:25AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - Adrian Drover, 27 Jun 10:20AM
         Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - marvinglenn, 28 Jun 05:21PM
         Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - marvinglenn, 28 Jun 05:27PM
             Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - Robin Walker, 28 Jun 07:00PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - marvinglenn, 28 Jun 07:57PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - Robin Walker, 28 Jun 08:43PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - marvinglenn, 29 Jun 04:24PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - Robin Walker, 29 Jun 04:44PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.1: Creating accidental symbols - marvinglenn, 29 Jun 06:31PM