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Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - James Roberts, 28 Nov 03:59PM
     Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - Laurence Payne, 28 Nov 07:17PM
         Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - Mark Isaacs, 28 Nov 09:04PM
             Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - Adrian Drover, 28 Nov 11:57PM
                 Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - Laurence Payne, 29 Nov 12:05AM
                     Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - Mark Isaacs, 29 Nov 03:23AM
                         Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - Adrian Drover, 29 Nov 08:09AM
                             Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - monsterjazzlicks, 08 Dec 09:30PM
             Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - monsterjazzlicks, 08 Dec 09:31PM
                 Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - Mark Isaacs, 08 Dec 09:44PM
                     Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - monsterjazzlicks, 10 Dec 05:38PM
                         Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - Mark Isaacs, 10 Dec 08:08PM
                             Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - Mike Lyons, 10 Dec 10:30PM
                             Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - monsterjazzlicks, 13 Dec 09:13PM
                                 Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - Mark Isaacs, 13 Dec 10:22PM

Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts
Posted by James Roberts - 28 Nov 03:59PM
Afternoon all,

Is it possible to show an instrument change at different places in the full score & parts?

For example, I'd like my Oboe > Cor Anglais change to show in different places to keep page breaks looking neat.

Many thanks,

James

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Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts
Posted by Laurence Payne - 28 Nov 07:17PM
You can drag the 'to cor anglais' text anywhere you like in the Part, EXCEPT across a page break. Or, if this causes problems, just hide it in the part and replace it with a suitable Staff Text object. It doesn't do anything, other than inform the player.

But remember, he expects and deserves to be warned of the change straight after he plays the last note on the old instrument. Not where it looks pretty on the score.

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Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts
Posted by Mark Isaacs - 28 Nov 09:04PM (edited 28 Nov 09:59PM)
>>But remember, he expects and deserves to be warned of the change straight after he plays the last note on the old instrument. [bold mine]

I don't like to reflexively nitpick at the minutiae around this kind of issue, but sometimes it is clearly careless. The OP did not identify the gender of the player, and there are indeed female oboe/cor anglais players (Principal Oboe in the Sydney Symphony, my home town, is the great Diana Doherty). More are coming through the ranks I'm sure. It's easy to write "he or she" or "s/he" and it is unnecessarily (though I'm sure completely unintentionally) offensive not to. With all due respect to Laurence, a great stalwart here, and sorry to be OT.

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Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts
Posted by Adrian Drover - 28 Nov 11:57PM
Or "the player" if he or she is not sure about their gender? ;-)

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Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts
Posted by Laurence Payne - 29 Nov 12:05AM (edited 29 Nov 12:06AM)
In the English language, 'He' includes 'She' in such general cases where gender is irrelevant.

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Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts
Posted by Mark Isaacs - 29 Nov 03:23AM
> In the English language, 'He' includes 'She' in such general cases where gender is irrelevant.

Good luck with that.

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Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts
Posted by Adrian Drover - 29 Nov 08:09AM
In the Mancini book "Sounds and Scores", I seem to remember numerous references to the player as "he". But then, it is fairly recent that mixed gender has become commonplace in most or all bands.

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Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts
Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 08 Dec 09:30PM (edited 08 Dec 09:30PM)
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Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts
Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 08 Dec 09:31PM (edited 08 Dec 09:32PM)
> >>But remember, he expects and deserves to be warned of the change straight after he plays the last note on the old instrument. [bold mine]
>
> I don't like to reflexively nitpick at the minutiae around this kind of issue, but sometimes it is clearly careless. The OP did not identify the gender of the player, and there are indeed female oboe/cor anglais players (Principal Oboe in the Sydney Symphony, my home town, is the great Diana Doherty). More are coming through the ranks I'm sure. It's easy to write "he or she" or "s/he" and it is unnecessarily (though I'm sure completely unintentionally) offensive not to. With all due respect to Laurence, a great stalwart here, and sorry to be OT.

Hi Mark,

Well the guitarist is definitely a male (I could tell straight away even though he has only made one rehearsal), and my name is not Pauline or Paula!

I heard, a couple of years ago that the Bible was going to be re-written adhering to the 'political correctness' stance of making available a version where 'she' replaces 'he'. Effectively this would make God and Jesus female!

Also, and I do consider this all to border on silliness at times, if people are going to argue about the correct application of 'she' and 'he', then (in our current society) we should equally incorporate 'transgener' and/or 'transexual' beings.

I don't mean for this to come across as sounding harsh; I am just making a point.

Cheers matey!

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Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts
Posted by Mark Isaacs - 08 Dec 09:44PM (edited 08 Dec 09:50PM)
I recognise the extremes of the debate. I don't think it is extreme to say "he or she" if you are speaking in the abstract about a generic instrumentalist. This comes from the desire to be an ACCURATE person (I am a composer after all; I care about taxonomy) rather than anything ideological. Also, it is *welcoming* that way to (virtually) all comers.

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Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts
Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 10 Dec 05:38PM
> I recognise the extremes of the debate. I don't think it is extreme to say "he or she" if you are speaking in the abstract about a generic instrumentalist. This comes from the desire to be an ACCURATE person (I am a composer after all; I care about taxonomy) rather than anything ideological. Also, it is *welcoming* that way to (virtually) all comers.

Hi Mark,

I am not sure how 'composing' correlates to 'taxonomy' but I am sure you are correct in your analysis as it relates to yourself.

Cheers,

Paul

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Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts
Posted by Mark Isaacs - 10 Dec 08:08PM (edited 10 Dec 09:43PM)
>> I am not sure how 'composing' correlates to 'taxonomy'

Taxonomy is the art of using correct terminology and classification. I find writers of music are often very concerned with this, sometimes right down to minutiae. I know I am.

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Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts
Posted by Mike Lyons - 10 Dec 10:30PM (edited 11 Dec 07:03AM)
> Taxonomy is the art of using correct terminology and classification. I find writers of music are often very concerned with this, sometimes right down to minutiae. I know I am.
>
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Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts
Posted by monsterjazzlicks - 13 Dec 09:13PM
> >> I am not sure how 'composing' correlates to 'taxonomy'
>
> Taxonomy is the art of using correct terminology and classification. I find writers of music are often very concerned with this, sometimes right down to minutiae. I know I am.

I have only ever heard the term used within conversations relating to science/biology (not that I know much about these!); but I suppose it can have wider uses as in different fields.

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Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts
Posted by Mark Isaacs - 13 Dec 10:22PM
Yes, an excellent and formidable German music editor Alexander Plötz whom I worked with on a couple of my orchestral scores (and who sometimes posts here) used the term "taxonomy" regularly in relation to many questions of music notation that came up in our conversations. The term definitely has a broad application and is not confined to science by any means, but can be applicable to any field or general question of terminology and classification.

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Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - James Roberts, 28 Nov 03:59PM
     Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - Laurence Payne, 28 Nov 07:17PM
         Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - Mark Isaacs, 28 Nov 09:04PM
             Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - Adrian Drover, 28 Nov 11:57PM
                 Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - Laurence Payne, 29 Nov 12:05AM
                     Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - Mark Isaacs, 29 Nov 03:23AM
                         Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - Adrian Drover, 29 Nov 08:09AM
                             Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - monsterjazzlicks, 08 Dec 09:30PM
             Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - monsterjazzlicks, 08 Dec 09:31PM
                 Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - Mark Isaacs, 08 Dec 09:44PM
                     Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - monsterjazzlicks, 10 Dec 05:38PM
                         Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - Mark Isaacs, 10 Dec 08:08PM
                             Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - Mike Lyons, 10 Dec 10:30PM
                             Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - monsterjazzlicks, 13 Dec 09:13PM
                                 Re: Instrument Changes - Full Score/Parts - Mark Isaacs, 13 Dec 10:22PM