'Sib. 5.x: Cautionary key signature'

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Sib. 5.x: Cautionary key signature - David Noble, 21 Jun 07:03AM
     Re: Sib. 5.x: Cautionary key signature - Mike Lyons, 21 Jun 07:53AM
         Re: Sib. 5.x: Cautionary key signature - Jody Hughes, 21 Jun 08:07AM
             Re: Sib. 5.x: Cautionary key signature - Laurence Payne, 21 Jun 03:07PM
                 Re: Sib. 5.x: Cautionary key signature - Adrian Drover, 21 Jun 05:05PM
                     Re: Sib. 5.x: Cautionary key signature - David Noble, 24 Jun 07:54AM

Sib. 5.x: Cautionary key signature
Posted by David Noble - 21 Jun 07:03AM
How do I add a cautionary key signature at the D.S. for the change back to C minor? Thanks.
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Re: Sib. 5.x: Cautionary key signature
Posted by Mike Lyons - 21 Jun 07:53AM
as far as I can tell, you have two choices:

1. use a graphic of the KS just before the DS

2. Use the zymbol flats with or without large brackets to simulate a KS. Both have their pros and cons.

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Re: Sib. 5.x: Cautionary key signature
Posted by Jody Hughes - 21 Jun 08:07AM
Hi there

In this case, because the first bar of the coda is empty, you can fairly easily manage this. (NB I can't remember if all this functionality is available in Sib5, so apologies if it doesn't work for you.)

a) Select the double barline at the end of bar 28 and add a key change to three flats. (This is now temporarily in effect throughout the coda as well.)

b) Select bar 29 (first bar of coda) and in Properties > Bars untick 'Key signature'. (The key signature at the beginning of bar 29 disappears, but is still in effect).

c) Select the barline at the beginning of bar 30 and add a key change to C major, first ticking the box at bottom left for 'Hide'. (Now C major is again in effect for the remainder of the coda.)

If there were music in bar 29, you might have to tweak some notes (by hiding or adding accidentals manually) so they looked correct for C major.

Hope that helps
Jeremy
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Re: Sib. 5.x: Cautionary key signature
Posted by Laurence Payne - 21 Jun 03:07PM (edited 21 Jun 03:11PM)
(Disclaimer - I'm not sure how much of this was possible in Sibelius 5...)

I've added a bar before the coda gap. Given it the three flats key signature. Applied an Instrument Change to 'No Instrument (hidden)' to it. Dragged the marker box to the right far enough to display the KS. Hidden the 'Flute' text.

This will also work if the first coda bar isn't empty (I've added dummy notes) and if the coda isn't in the open key signature.
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Re: Sib. 5.x: Cautionary key signature
Posted by Adrian Drover - 21 Jun 05:05PM
A cautionary key sig at measure 3 is easier. Might I also suggest a larger font size for the sign (suggestion attached).
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Re: Sib. 5.x: Cautionary key signature
Posted by David Noble - 24 Jun 07:54AM
Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. So much choice!
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Sib. 5.x: Cautionary key signature - David Noble, 21 Jun 07:03AM
     Re: Sib. 5.x: Cautionary key signature - Mike Lyons, 21 Jun 07:53AM
         Re: Sib. 5.x: Cautionary key signature - Jody Hughes, 21 Jun 08:07AM
             Re: Sib. 5.x: Cautionary key signature - Laurence Payne, 21 Jun 03:07PM
                 Re: Sib. 5.x: Cautionary key signature - Adrian Drover, 21 Jun 05:05PM
                     Re: Sib. 5.x: Cautionary key signature - David Noble, 24 Jun 07:54AM