This is probably the trickiest question I have had to ask to date, and so I will try to articulate myself as best I can.
I am writing a chart for: 4 horns & 4 rhythm (please see attach). Ignore the many accidental mistakes as my concentration has been focused elsewhere, and such typos are not relevant to my question.
I am totally stuck (and I mean really stuck!) as to whether or not to write a separate score for the horn-section, and another for the rhythm-section? My big issue is as follows:
During the horn-solos there is a chorus of backing-figures (ie. to play behind each of the soloists - as you would typically have). And then, similarly, a separate chorus of backing-figures to play behind both the guitar and piano solos. The horn-backings fall between rehearsal-letters 'H' & 'K' (page-3), and the rhythm-backings between rehearsal-letters 'K' & 'M' (page-4) - see individual parts.
Obviously!, the horns need to have these written out; but the rhythm-section do not. I mean, the execution/integration of these backing-figures only affect and apply to the horns. Therefore the rhythm-section parts should be 1 or 2 pages shorter than the horns, if you get me.
My problem is in trying to get Sib. to work around this predicament. I am stuck with an unwanted indefinite multi-rest on the final page of my rhythm-section parts!
Does this mean that I will have to make a new score just for the rhythm-section which contains no horn parts whatsoever?, killing off the unwanted bars containing the backing-figures.
I hope I have explained myself OK here!
Many thanks in advance for any kind assistance offered here.
You could write your horn parts on a double staff at letter D thru' G, horn backings on one, rhythm section backings on the other. Include the changes on one of the staves for your horn solos. The alternative is to write the backings on a separate page which wouldn't need to be printed for your rhythm section parts.
PS. Forgive me for being nosy, but can anyone tell me why Paul's score won't play with NotePerformer selected.
PS. Forgive me for being nosy, but can anyone tell me why Paul's score won't play with NotePerformer selected.
No need to seek forgiveness!; I may be wrong here but it could be due to the fact that I always mute all of the sounds/mixer. I can't listen to what I am writing, it just throws me (I never play-back anything once it's completed either). 99% of the time I listen to CD's which I have ripped to my hard-drive instead - helps to take my mind off things ;-)
> You could write your horn parts on a double staff at letter D thru' G, horn backings on one, rhythm section backings on the other. Include the changes on one of the staves for your horn solos.
The alternative is to write the backings on a separate page which wouldn't need to be printed for your rhythm section parts.
Hi Adrian,
1) Yes, using double-staffs would be one method I dare say a lot of people use. But personally I like to keep my chord-progressions within a dedicated 'solo section' region. And I am trying to incorporate (as I am learning...) more and more dynamics/expression markings (eg. Sfz-cres.). I am aiming for all of my charts, where possible, to look as uncluttered as I can make them.
2) You have hit-the-nail here, thank you! This is precisely the end result I am trying to attain. And so, for the very reason that you mention this, I am assuming it is possible? To reiterate, the final page (ie. horns backing-figures) on each of the rhythm-section part is deadwood.
Thus sprach Laurence Payne:
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No, Laurence, but if you hum me the first couple of bars, I'll pick it up.
Ah, you mean the genius of Denmark Street. 3-part blocking for 2 altos & 1 tenor sax. 2nd tenor gets the spare notes (6th, 5th or root/9th, no attempt at comfortable voice leading). Same deal for 2 trumpets & trombone. 3rd trumpet gets all the crap notes. You had to get to the dance gig early to avoid sitting in those chairs because no one cared to swap parts with the spares.
I am intending to write a chorus of backing-figures for the horns from rehearsal-letter 'H'.
The piece is in 3/4 but from letter 'H' my score keeps jumping into 4/4? I have tried deleting, recreating, copying the first half of the chart into a new score, but nothing seems to work. Each time, from letter 'H', it reverts back to 4/4!
I simply can't progress any further with the arrangement and so I would be extremely grateful for a solution here.
Sibelius is NOT autonomous, Paul. Anything it does is at your behest!
At sometime this score might well have been in 4/4 or you may have had a time change to 4/4. How did you create the score? Was your initial TS 4/4 and you then changed it to 3/4?
Solution: insert a TS to 3/4 at H with re-write ticked but insert cautionary unticked.
Delete the newly inserted TS and choose no when asked to re-write.
Be aware, all your double barlines, so carefully set up before you started, will move. And, yes, I'm laughing at you because you have fallen into the trap of all those people who waste time on layout before they get the music onto the staves. If you make a mistake you open up a whole world of pain. You'll probably have to move all your rehearsal marks as well. Let this be a lesson to you!
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mike@mike-lyons.co.uk
> Put a 3/4 time signature at the beginning! I think the problem will go away.
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> (And - I was slightly surprised to discover - Mike's warnings of doom will not actually come to pass!)
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> When you Add Bars, Sibelius rather likes there to BE a time signature. If there isn't, it tends to assume 4/4.
Hi Laurence,
Damn, I didn't even notice the absence of a TS! Talk about the elusive obvious!
Hopefully the blank bars Solo Section at the end will now allow me to change it to triple time.
> Sibelius is NOT autonomous, Paul. Anything it does is at your behest!
>
> At sometime this score might well have been in 4/4 or you may have had a time change to 4/4. How did you create the score? Was your initial TS 4/4 and you then changed it to 3/4?
>
> Solution: insert a TS to 3/4 at H with re-write ticked but insert cautionary unticked.
> Delete the newly inserted TS and choose no when asked to re-write.
>
> Be aware, all your double barlines, so carefully set up before you started, will move. And, yes, I'm laughing at you because you have fallen into the trap of all those people who waste time on layout before they get the music onto the staves. If you make a mistake you open up a whole world of pain. You'll probably have to move all your rehearsal marks as well. Let this be a lesson to you!
Hi Mike,
I found 'insert cautionary ' but not 'rewrite'. I could not see the latter mentioned in the manual.
I have always created blank bars/sections before inputting the notes; I mean for the last 30 years!
It definitely happened with me, Laurence. But I hadn't bothered to look at the start. I mean, who writes a piece of music without a time signature at the start? ... ;-)
I'll see what happens if I put one at the start...
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mike@mike-lyons.co.uk
OK, that works. Inserting the change at letter H causes the barlines to move. Interesting!
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mike@mike-lyons.co.uk
> Hi Mike,
>
> I found 'insert cautionary ' but not 'rewrite'. I could not see the latter mentioned in the manual.
>
> I have always created blank bars/sections before inputting the notes; I mean for the last 30 years!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul
What you see will depend on what type of selection you have made.
Setting up double barlines and pagebreaks is pointless until you've got all the music in place. At least for classical style music. Jazz music tends to have a set no of bars per system. But even so...
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mike@mike-lyons.co.uk
> What you see will depend on what type of selection you have made.
>
> Setting up double barlines and pagebreaks is pointless until you've got all the music in place. At lwast for classical style music. Jazz music tends to have a set no of bars per system. But even so...
Mike,
I think with the 'flexible' music of Miles Davis, of which I am trying to transcribe, one could write it a 100 different different ways if you know what I mean. For instance, beat-one changes almost every bar in some instances. Maybe I should have picked some easier music to start off with!
Anyway, I certain won't be making the mistake of forgetting to insert a TS in a hurry. That cost me almost 2 days work.
'Tis a poor day when you don't learn something new!
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mike@mike-lyons.co.uk
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