'Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools don't follow engraving rules'

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Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools don'... - helenvee, 21 May 08:16PM
     Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools ... - helenvee, 28 May 04:21PM
         Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools ... - Bob Zawalich, 28 May 11:28PM
             Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools ... - helenvee, 28 May 11:32PM
                 Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools ... - Bob Zawalich, 29 May 08:20AM
                     Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools ... - Robin Walker, 29 May 08:40AM
                         Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools ... - helenvee, 29 May 03:04PM
                             Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools ... - Bob Zawalich, 29 May 03:19PM
                                 Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools ... - Adrian Drover, 29 May 03:32PM
                                     Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools ... - Bob Zawalich, 29 May 08:54PM

Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools don't follow engraving rules
Posted by helenvee - 21 May 08:16PM
I have a pro tools (PT 2018.7) session in which I've entered chord symbols on the chord symbol ruler. I opened the score editor, then clicked file/export/sibelius. Then I opened this sibelius file. The chord symbols are above the stave, with both the letter for the chord and a fingering diagram. I would like it to show only the letter for the chord, no diagram. However, when I go to engraving rules/chord symbols and set this setting, it doesn't affect these chord symbols. If I enter new chord symbols from scratch, these are affected by the engraving rules. Does anyone know how to fix this?
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Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools don't follow engraving rules
Posted by helenvee - 28 May 04:21PM
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Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools don't follow engraving rules
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 28 May 11:28PM
It would help to see a bit of the score that shows the problem. I am guessing the the Protools symbols are not "Chord Symbol Objects" which contain both the text and the chord diagram within. Click on the text chord name and look in the status bar and if it says "Editing Chord Symbol" it should work.

Anything is possible though. If you can provide a link to a score that shows the problem it would be much easier to diagnose.
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Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools don't follow engraving rules
Posted by helenvee - 28 May 11:32PM
I've attached the score. Thanks for looking!
Attachment Pno SCORE.sib (50K)
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Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools don't follow engraving rules
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 29 May 08:20AM
Well I agree with you that the Engraving Rules do not work on these chord symbols.There must be something weird in the translation. The only thing I found that worked was to right click a chord symbol, and then in the menu drop the Chord Symbol submenu and click on Add/Delete Chord Diagram.

This is tedious and only works on one symbol at a time. But if you go to File Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts and set a shortcut as shown in the screenshot.

Now select the entire score and use Home Filter Chord Symbols to filter the chords, then type your shortcut - you may need to run it twice to remove all the diagrams.

This should get rid of the diagrams , but the Engraving Rules still do not work. If this were my score I might consider exporting as MusicXML and then importing that and see if it fixes the problem without introducing more problems. Good luck!

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Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools don't follow engraving rules
Posted by Robin Walker - 29 May 08:40AM
You need to:
- select the chord symbols;
- do "Reset Design"
to get them to obey the Engraving Rules.

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Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools don't follow engraving rules
Posted by helenvee - 29 May 03:04PM
Yes! "Reset Design" did the magic! Thank you Robin!
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Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools don't follow engraving rules
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 29 May 03:19PM
Wow - thanks for figuring that out Robin. I should have tried it but I was looking elsewhere. I wonder what in the "design" got messed up, but it is good that the reset worked.

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Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools don't follow engraving rules
Posted by Adrian Drover - 29 May 03:32PM (edited 29 May 03:34PM)
Actually, Bob's method works en masse too, if you filter chord symbols, then R-klik for the chord symbol menu.
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Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools don't follow engraving rules
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 29 May 08:54PM
My method gets rid of the chord diagrams, but the Engraving Rules still do not work. Reset Design fixes the immediate problem and also makes the chord symbols behave correctly, which is a better solution.

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Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools don'... - helenvee, 21 May 08:16PM
     Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools ... - helenvee, 28 May 04:21PM
         Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools ... - Bob Zawalich, 28 May 11:28PM
             Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools ... - helenvee, 28 May 11:32PM
                 Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools ... - Bob Zawalich, 29 May 08:20AM
                     Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools ... - Robin Walker, 29 May 08:40AM
                         Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools ... - helenvee, 29 May 03:04PM
                             Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools ... - Bob Zawalich, 29 May 03:19PM
                                 Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools ... - Adrian Drover, 29 May 03:32PM
                                     Re: Chord symbols when imported from Pro Tools ... - Bob Zawalich, 29 May 08:54PM