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I have part, Horn in E, to be entered in Sibelius for transposing to Horn In F.
I have "Horn in E Nokey", but it would be an advantige to enter it in "Horn in E" with a possibility to use keys.
In "Edit instruments" I could not find a possibility to create "Horn in E".
Where and how?
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Leif Colding

Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn
Posted by Mike Lyons - 27 Nov 10:46PM (edited 27 Nov 10:50PM)

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Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn
Posted by Chris Crawley - 28 Nov 04:08PM

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I trust the Horn in E is from a historical composition - no-one writes contemporary music for horn in any key other than F.

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Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn
Posted by Mike Lyons - 28 Nov 06:24PM

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You do sometimes get horn in Eb still.

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Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn
Posted by Leif Colding - 28 Nov 06:33PM

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Thanks for the picture.
The part is from one of Anton Reichas (91.5) many
quintets.
Thanks to all
Leif

Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn
Posted by Chris Crawley - 28 Nov 06:53PM

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Ah - for a horn-player who doesn't like to transpose.

I had an amateur (horn-playing) colleague who was completely fazed by Rachmaninov's Symphony No 2, much of which (or all? - I can't recall) is for horns in E. He asked me to produce a part in F for him, which I did.

("You just press a button on the computer, right?") - Er, not quite, no.

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Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn
Posted by Adrian Drover - 28 Nov 11:17PM

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Posted by Mike Lyons - 28 Nov 18:24
You do sometimes get horn in Eb still.
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Depends what kind of horn. Brass band tenor saxhorn is in Eb. Mellophones & mellophoniums have interchangeable crooks in F & Eb. All very different from French horn in F or F/Bb.

Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn
Posted by Chris Crawley - 29 Nov 12:07AM

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A (french) horn player nowadays doesn't expect to see a part in Eb.

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Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn
Posted by Adrian Drover - 29 Nov 08:37AM

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Wikipedia says that the mellophone has the same fingering as the french horn. Simply not true. Altho' the written notes produce the same pitch, the french horn tube in F is twice as long as that of the mellophone, and plays an octave higher in the harmonic series to produce the same pitches.

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Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn
Posted by Laurence Payne - 29 Nov 12:17PM

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If you've found a 'Horn in E' part with a key signature, are you sure it isn't actually a 'Horn in Eb'? This brass band instrument is fully chromatic and uses key signatures, unlike the historic 'Horn in E'.

Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn
Posted by Leif Colding - 29 Nov 02:15PM

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Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn
Posted by Leif Colding - 29 Nov 02:20PM

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I have finished the "E-horn" project having created the "new" instrument.
In my installation the "new" instrument does not go into Sibelius progrmme, only the file/score I worked on.
All ok. Thanks for help.
Regards
Leif

Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn
Posted by Adrian Drover - 29 Nov 02:40PM

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But if you need a horn in E with key sig for further use, you could create a new instrument using horn in F as a starting point, simply changing the transposition in transposed part to "middle C sounds E in octave 3".

Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn
Posted by Mike Lyons - 29 Nov 04:29PM

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Easier to use the existing horn in e (no key) and click the tickbox.

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Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn
Posted by Philip Sparke - 04 Dec 09:57AM (edited 04 Dec 09:57AM)

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> A (french) horn player nowadays doesn't expect to see a part in Eb.

Not usually, but there are some Dutch players (in Fanfares) who play F Horns but can only read Eb parts. Don't ask!!

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Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn - Leif Colding, 27 Nov 08:39PM

Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn - Mike Lyons, 27 Nov 10:46PM

Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn - Chris Crawley, 28 Nov 04:08PM

Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn - Mike Lyons, 28 Nov 06:24PM

Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn - Leif Colding, 28 Nov 06:33PM

Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn - Chris Crawley, 28 Nov 06:53PM

Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn - Adrian Drover, 28 Nov 11:17PM

Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn - Chris Crawley, 29 Nov 12:07AM

Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn - Adrian Drover, 29 Nov 08:37AM

Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn - Laurence Payne, 29 Nov 12:17PM

Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn - Leif Colding, 29 Nov 02:15PM

Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn - Leif Colding, 29 Nov 02:20PM

Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn - Adrian Drover, 29 Nov 02:40PM

Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn - Mike Lyons, 29 Nov 04:29PM

Re: Sib. 2018.x: Transposing Horn - Philip Sparke, 04 Dec 09:57AM