'Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems'

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Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems - Maxwell Kaye, 20 Jun 08:53PM
     Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems - Adrian Drover, 20 Jun 10:16PM
         Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems - Maxwell Kaye, 20 Jun 10:32PM
             Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems - Adrian Drover, 21 Jun 06:40AM
                 Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems - Steven Edis, 21 Jun 07:29AM
                     Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems - Adrian Drover, 21 Jun 11:25AM
                         Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems - Jody Hughes, 21 Jun 01:34PM
                             Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems - Maxwell Kaye, 21 Jun 01:42PM
                                 Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems - Laurence Payne, 21 Jun 03:03PM

Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems
Posted by Maxwell Kaye - 20 Jun 08:53PM
Hello,
I'm using an ossia stave in an orchestral score, and I've noticed that the break between staves remains indefinitely after the ossia, including with the barlines — the ossia itself seems to remain, just not visibly. Is there a way for me to "cut off" the ossia in a way so that the score will look normal afterwards?
Thanks for any help.
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Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems
Posted by Adrian Drover - 20 Jun 10:16PM (edited 20 Jun 10:20PM)
The space will remain until the next system break
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Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems
Posted by Maxwell Kaye - 20 Jun 10:32PM
It's remaining even after the next system break, for the rest of the score...
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Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems
Posted by Adrian Drover - 21 Jun 06:40AM
OK. Have you tried Layout/StaffSpacing/ResetSpaceAbove?
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Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems
Posted by Steven Edis - 21 Jun 07:29AM
I can't seem to replicate this problem (on v6.2). Something weird may have happened. How was the ossia created?

Adrian's advice should correct the staff spacing. But there's also a problem with the barlines not connecting vln.2 and vla after the ossia.

Maxwell, try this - choose any barline after the ossia, then click precisely where the barline stops at the lower edge of the vln.2 staff, then drag it downwards into the vla staff.
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Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems
Posted by Adrian Drover - 21 Jun 11:25AM (edited 21 Jun 11:32AM)
Well spotted, Hawkeye. I don't think this is a regular ossia. Ossias normally have independent barlines, and section barlines should rejoin at the next system break. There might be another hidden staff in there somewhere. Maxwell, could you post the actual sib score. Also, goto Home/Instruments/AddRemove and check how many viola staves there are. If that shown is the only ossia, there should be only two (a & b).
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Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems
Posted by Jody Hughes - 21 Jun 01:34PM
Hi there

It looks as if the ossia stave is still 'showing' after the ossia music finishes.

After your ossia finishes, there is an instrument change, to an instrument misleadingly called 'No instrument (hidden)'. This presents as a stave with no stave lines which doesn't show bar rests or bar lines. But it isn't 'hidden' in the sense normally used in Sibelius for staves, and so its presence in the score is breaking the systemic barlines.

You need to select all the relevant bars on the invisible stave: I recommend using command-drag (ctrl-drag on Windows) to select a small part of the invisible ossia stave, somewhere on the first system where it appears, and then use Home > Select > Bars and choose the option to select to the end of the score.

Now invoke Layout > Hide Empty Staves, and it should properly disappear from the score.

Hope that helps. If not, perhaps post the actual score here, and a solution will be forthcoming.

Jeremy
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Sibelius Ultimate on a Mac running OS 10.13.4
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Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems
Posted by Maxwell Kaye - 21 Jun 01:42PM
Yes, Jeremy's advice worked! Thank you so much!
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Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems
Posted by Laurence Payne - 21 Jun 03:03PM
"After your ossia finishes, there is an instrument change, to an instrument misleadingly called 'No instrument (hidden)'. "


And that, of course, is what an Ossia stave IS. A new stave, allocated to 'No instrument (hidden)' except for the visible portion. Normally, the Create Ossia function also applies Hide Empty Staves to that stave. In this case, it seems to have been defeated. Possibly by a global Show Empty Staves that inadvertently included the ossia stave?
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Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems - Maxwell Kaye, 20 Jun 08:53PM
     Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems - Adrian Drover, 20 Jun 10:16PM
         Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems - Maxwell Kaye, 20 Jun 10:32PM
             Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems - Adrian Drover, 21 Jun 06:40AM
                 Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems - Steven Edis, 21 Jun 07:29AM
                     Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems - Adrian Drover, 21 Jun 11:25AM
                         Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems - Jody Hughes, 21 Jun 01:34PM
                             Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems - Maxwell Kaye, 21 Jun 01:42PM
                                 Re: Sibelius 2018.5 — Ossia problems - Laurence Payne, 21 Jun 03:03PM