when I import the Academico text font as Main Text Font, I will lose the tenor clef (g-clef with little 8). Instead an X is been displayed.
How can I make Academico my Main Text Font and not lose the tenor g-clef?
I am sure I only have to somewhere change one setting back to use the notation font (in Edit Text Styles?)..
Thank you for help!
[edit] the reason why one loses the tenor clef is a bug when defining a new main Text Style:
The Text Style of “Special symbols II” is changed by Sibelius to the new text font - and it should remain a music symbol font).
So I went to Edit Text Styles, and edited “Special symbols II” from Academico back to “Norfolk Special II Std“ and that way got my tenor g-clef back.
May be this problem only occurs, when using Norfolk as music font, I don’t know..
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Could you please provide a detailed specification (each mouse click, each key typed, in order) of what needs to be done for another person to reproduce the issue that you have encountered, and attach a Sibelius .sib score file which acts as the starting point for that described sequence of clicks and typing.
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> May be this problem only occurs, when using Norfolk as music font, I don’t know..
Yes indeed, that is the issue, because to create the Norfolk style we used the precomposed clefs found in Bravura instead of the composite symbols that Sibelius uses in Opus. Glad you got it sorted out.
> > May be this problem only occurs, when using Norfolk as music font, I don’t know..
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> Yes indeed, that is the issue, because to create the Norfolk style we used the precomposed clefs found in Bravura instead of the composite symbols that Sibelius uses in Opus. Glad you got it sorted out.
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yes I am also glad to have it sorted out finally (by try and error..) :-)
> Yes indeed, that is the issue, because to create the Norfolk style we used the precomposed clefs found in Bravura
> instead of the composite symbols that Sibelius uses in Opus.
That may be true, but why would changing a TEXT FONT cause a change to the Special symbols fonts?
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Robin, i think this was well explained by Philip R[othman?] in the last message. The tenor g-clef can be part of a font or be a composite of two graphical symbols.
> Robin, i think this was well explained by Philip R[othman?] in the last message.
> The tenor g-clef can be part of a font or be a composite of two graphical symbols.
But you said you changed a TEXT font, and TEXT fonts have no part to play in Symbols, whether composite or otherwise.
So why did you changing a text font affect any symbols?
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I have setup my score to use Norfolk (a derivate from Bravura) as Music Font. [everything fine]
I then defined Academico as my Main Text Font.
[result: tenor g-clef gone]
I then edited Text Styles>Special symbols II to use Norfolk Special II Std (instead of Academico).
[result: tenor g-clef is back]
I've met this problem when changing text fonts when using the Norfolk set. If I recall correctly, it affects only the Norfolk Special II Std font, which for some reason is not recognised (or classified) by Sibelius as a music font, and so gets changed when the global text font is changed.
This is, I suppose, a request to/via Philip R that this be looked into for future Norfolk updates, since it is not obvious, when it occurs, where to find the solution to the problem.
Jeremy
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The ability to change "Main Text Font" is a hang-over from Sibelius 6 and earlier. Sibelius 7 introduced a smarter system where Text Styles can be "Based on" another Text Style, with variations. If a Text Style is "based on" (for instance) Text Style "Widget Text", and does not define a specific font name as a variation (the font box is unchecked), then this Text Style will use the same font as "Widget Text". The root of all these "Based on" dependency chains is the style "Plain Text", which uses an explicit font. So, instead of re-defining "Main Text Font", the smart thing to do is simply re-define the font of Text Style "Plain Text", whereupon all Text Styles that are "based on" "Plain Text" will change likewise. This operation does not interfere with any Text Styles that have an explicit font setting (such as all the Music Fonts).
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Robin, I will try this when I am back at the computer.
This would mean, that the UserInterface if Sibelius is at fault here:
Text>Define Main Text Font should work differently to avoid problems (like the one I had here)..
> Text>Define Main Text Font should work differently to avoid problems (like the one I had here)..
A close reading of the Sibelius Reference for any version of Sibelius since 7.0 will show that the "Edit all fonts" dialog is undocumented, except for the case of editing a legacy score which was created under an earlier version of Sibelius that did not provide hierarchical text styles.
And, the method of editing the style for "Plain Text" is explicitly documented: "If you want to change all of the text in your score to use another font (e.g. to change the title, instrument names, lyrics, technique instructions etc. to another font in a single operation), the recommended way is to edit the Plain text text style, from which most other text styles inherit their choice of font"
Sibelius Reference section "5.1 Working with text".
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