'Tacet al fine'

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Tacet al fine - Dylan M., 12 Apr 01:53AM
     Re: Tacet al fine - Adrian Drover, 12 Apr 06:15AM
         Re: Tacet al fine - Chris Crawley, 12 Apr 10:41AM
             Re: Tacet al fine - Laurence Payne, 12 Apr 12:34PM
                 Re: Tacet al fine - Dylan M., 12 Apr 08:14PM
                     Re: Tacet al fine - Laurence Payne, 12 Apr 10:31PM
                         Re: Tacet al fine - Dylan M., 13 Apr 12:40AM

Tacet al fine
Posted by Dylan M. - 12 Apr 01:53AM
I was wondering about the use of "tacet al fine" with an orchestral piece I'm working on. The fiddle plays throughout the first fifth of a movement, then drops out for the rest of that movement. Would it be correct to use "tacet al fine" in this instance?

The piece uses a realtively small number of instruments besides fiddle (which is a solo instrument), including alto solo. When ordering instruments, should the fiddle go below the alto and above the strings, or should the alto go below the fiddle?

Lastly, is this forum OK for these kind of questions (I'm new here) or should I ask somewhere else, like quora?


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Re: Tacet al fine
Posted by Adrian Drover - 12 Apr 06:15AM
Without seeing your score, you will have to extract the part in order to delete bars from where "tacet al fine" begins, otherwise you will be left with a bunch of multirests.

Strings are normally placed at the bottom of the score. I would probably place the solo fiddle above the string section. Alto (voice?) would go above the fiddle.

Officially, the forum is for Sib business only, but as good a place as any for these sort of questions. I'm not complaining.
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Re: Tacet al fine
Posted by Chris Crawley - 12 Apr 10:41AM
"Alto" may refer to the viola.

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Re: Tacet al fine
Posted by Laurence Payne - 12 Apr 12:34PM (edited 12 Apr 12:38PM)
No need to extract in order to get a Tacet, if you can tolerate a Final barline in the score at the point where you want the Tacet to start. A section empty of notes that is between Final barlines gets marked Tacet. (This is controlled in Layout/Auto Breaks.) It could be hidden and replaced by a graphic that looks like a barline. The downloadable plugin 'Add Fake Barline to Bars' looks useful.

As to whether to do this? Yes, if it's the last movement. Otherwise, maybe, if it's VERY obvious where this movement ends, and the next begins (can you add a foolproof cue at the start of the next?) But even then, doesn't the player deserve to know whether he's tacet for 10 bars or 200? Don't be selfish with information!
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Re: Tacet al fine
Posted by Dylan M. - 12 Apr 08:14PM (edited 12 Apr 08:16PM)
Thank you Adrian. I like that ordering of instruments. Sorry, I wasn't clear enough with alto; it's a solo voice.

The fiddle rests for 60 measures, then reenters the next movement. As I understand it, tacet al fine implies an instrument is silent until the end of the work, so I should use tacet instead (correct me if I'm wrong). And I'll probably add a cue. Thanks

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Re: Tacet al fine
Posted by Laurence Payne - 12 Apr 10:31PM
'Tacet al fine' is fine for tacet until the end of the movement.

But for just 60 bars? Unless it's chock-full of time and tempo changes and you're very short of paper, why not show the player the road map?
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Re: Tacet al fine
Posted by Dylan M. - 13 Apr 12:40AM
That makes more sense actually. I'll try that.

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Messages in this thread

Tacet al fine - Dylan M., 12 Apr 01:53AM
     Re: Tacet al fine - Adrian Drover, 12 Apr 06:15AM
         Re: Tacet al fine - Chris Crawley, 12 Apr 10:41AM
             Re: Tacet al fine - Laurence Payne, 12 Apr 12:34PM
                 Re: Tacet al fine - Dylan M., 12 Apr 08:14PM
                     Re: Tacet al fine - Laurence Payne, 12 Apr 10:31PM
                         Re: Tacet al fine - Dylan M., 13 Apr 12:40AM