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2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipboard ... - Bob Zawalich, 11 Apr 02:26AM
     Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Richard Vitale, 11 Apr 05:30AM
         Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - jgkzl, 11 Apr 08:00AM
             Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Kenneth Gaw, 11 Apr 08:11AM
                 Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Sam at Sibelius, 11 Apr 08:22AM
                 Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - jgkzl, 11 Apr 08:46AM
                     Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Bob Zawalich, 11 Apr 02:43PM
                         Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Cliff Bradley, 12 Apr 10:01AM
                             Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Bob Zawalich, 12 Apr 03:23PM
                                 Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Mike Lyons, 12 Apr 09:27PM
                                     Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Laurence Payne, 12 Apr 10:35PM
                                         Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - kbundies, 13 Apr 05:04AM
                                         Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Mike Lyons, 13 Apr 06:03AM
                                             Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Bob Zawalich, 13 Apr 08:47AM
                                                 Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Mike Lyons, 13 Apr 04:55PM
                                                     Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Richard Vitale, 28 May 07:40PM
                                                         Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Robin Walker, 28 May 07:59PM
                                                             Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Richard Vitale, 28 May 08:28PM

2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipboard appear to not copy in 2018.4
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 11 Apr 02:26AM
It appears to me that all plugins that copy to the main clipboard (with clipboard id = 0) are failing to copy in 2018.4. They work in 7.5 and 2018.1.

I will let you know if I find out anything more. Lots of plugins use that clipboard and they will likely all fail.


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Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipboard appear to not copy in 2018.4
Posted by Richard Vitale - 11 Apr 05:30AM
One of the most important plugins I use no longer works (see screenshot).

It is called Transpose Copies Special and would transpose entire lines into as many a 12 keys and take into account double bars (and special bars) and pick-up bars.

It also took into account key sib pref and was built by Jan Kok and I was the tester.

I'll have to download my older version of Sib to finish a book and 3 supplements.

I suspect I can keep 2 instances of Sib at the same time (Ultimate and Sib 8 on the same computer).

I guess I'll try that tomorrow...oh well.

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Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipboard appear to not copy in 2018.4
Posted by jgkzl - 11 Apr 08:00AM
Bob,

I cannot check this because I stay at version 7.1.3, but if you omit the zero will the main (Sibelius) clipboard work again?
So Copy() and Paste() instead of Copy(0) and Paste(0).

Jan

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Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipboard appear to not copy in 2018.4
Posted by Kenneth Gaw - 11 Apr 08:11AM
Using a positive integer, other than zero, seems to fix this.

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Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipboard appear to not copy in 2018.4
Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 11 Apr 08:22AM
Thanks for reporting this. We're checking it out.

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Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipboard appear to not copy in 2018.4
Posted by jgkzl - 11 Apr 08:46AM
Kenneth,

I did already try that, but in version 7.1.3 this did not work because the selection that was copied was different from the selection to paste in and then the tempory clipboard is empty.
Perhaps if I had used PasteToPosition without leaving the copied selection this would have worked.

Jan

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Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipboard appear to not copy in 2018.4
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 11 Apr 02:43PM

Clipboard 0 is the “real” system clipboard. Leaving the argument blank defaults to 0, so that does not help.

Clipboards 1 - 9 are useable only within the same score. If you want to copy between scores you must use clipboard 0.

Conversely, if you are copying only within a single score you should always use an internal clipboard as it will not clear the system clipboard.

The Sib developers are working on this.
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Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipboard appear to not copy in 2018.4
Posted by Cliff Bradley - 12 Apr 10:01AM
Ok. This would seem to explain why the 'Impose Sketch Onto Template' plug-in is not currently working on my system (which is what I'm here looking for answers to). Hoping they get this fixed soon - that plug-in saves a lot of time & faff.

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Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipboard appear to not copy in 2018.4
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 12 Apr 03:23PM

Yes. It is the reason why Impose Sketch and at least 20 other plugins are currently failing. They cannot copy or paste.
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Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipboard appear to not copy in 2018.4
Posted by Mike Lyons - 12 Apr 09:27PM
I am generally pleased with the update, but I have to ask - with such a major SNAFU - why was it not spotted?

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Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipboard appear to not copy in 2018.4
Posted by Laurence Payne - 12 Apr 10:35PM
I think we should perform a Public Shaming Ritual. :-)

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Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipboard appear to not copy in 2018.4
Posted by kbundies - 13 Apr 05:04AM (edited 13 Apr 05:04AM)

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Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipboard appear to not copy in 2018.4
Posted by Mike Lyons - 13 Apr 06:03AM
+1
:-D

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Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipboard appear to not copy in 2018.4
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 13 Apr 08:47AM
It is a small development and testing team, much smaller than in the good old days when Daniel et al were doing this. The problem only affects plugins, and most of the plugins that exhibit the issue are not shipping plugins, so they would not be tested (though Retrograde shows the problem, and it is a shipping plugin).

I have no idea how much testing is done with plugins. I suspect it would be hard to automate, and there are 150 or so shipping plugins, and they themselves did not change, so I am guessing there was not a lot of plugin testing.

There are also over 400 downloadable plugins. Once I (and I am just a user, not an Avid employee) became aware of the problem and determined that there was likely a problem with plugins that copied to the system clipboard, I found about 20 plugins that seemed to have the problem, and I reported it to the Sib guys, who quickly confirmed the problem.

It is unfortunate that this happened, when there are so many good things in this release. Things like this are easy to miss, because you have no reason to look for this sort of problem.

I personally looked for plugins that would be affected by the fact that when you delete the first bar in a score the system text is retained, figuring that things like Split Bar would duplicate the text because it was moving it on its own (and it does have this problem, which the Sib guys are now aware of).

I am not happy either, but I am grateful that useful features and refinements are being added to Sibelius. 2018.4 is, in general, a really fine update.



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Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipboard appear to not copy in 2018.4
Posted by Mike Lyons - 13 Apr 04:55PM
I am fairly pleased with this release, Bob. It is a big improvement in a lot of areas and some of them are really useful. However, I use some of the now broken plugins so I feel a little irked. Surely, testing what users are likely to do should be part of teh testing regime? I know this is Avid, but even so.

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Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipboard appear to not copy in 2018.4
Posted by Richard Vitale - 28 May 07:40PM
Hi Sam and Ingrid,

Any word on the status of the fix for this?

I'm happily humming along on Sibelius and getting all me work done but excited about trying out the new features in Sibelius Ultimate.

Pls let me know...and thank you Bob for the explanation :-)

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Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipboard appear to not copy in 2018.4
Posted by Robin Walker - 28 May 07:59PM
This was already fixed in 2018.4.1

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Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipboard appear to not copy in 2018.4
Posted by Richard Vitale - 28 May 08:28PM
Thx Robin!!! Thanks Sam and team :-)

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2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipboard ... - Bob Zawalich, 11 Apr 02:26AM
     Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Richard Vitale, 11 Apr 05:30AM
         Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - jgkzl, 11 Apr 08:00AM
             Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Kenneth Gaw, 11 Apr 08:11AM
                 Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Sam at Sibelius, 11 Apr 08:22AM
                 Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - jgkzl, 11 Apr 08:46AM
                     Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Bob Zawalich, 11 Apr 02:43PM
                         Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Cliff Bradley, 12 Apr 10:01AM
                             Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Bob Zawalich, 12 Apr 03:23PM
                                 Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Mike Lyons, 12 Apr 09:27PM
                                     Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Laurence Payne, 12 Apr 10:35PM
                                         Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - kbundies, 13 Apr 05:04AM
                                         Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Mike Lyons, 13 Apr 06:03AM
                                             Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Bob Zawalich, 13 Apr 08:47AM
                                                 Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Mike Lyons, 13 Apr 04:55PM
                                                     Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Richard Vitale, 28 May 07:40PM
                                                         Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Robin Walker, 28 May 07:59PM
                                                             Re: 2018.4 Plugins that copy to the main clipbo... - Richard Vitale, 28 May 08:28PM