'Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree'

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Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree - Ray Burkhart, 07 Feb 07:58PM
     Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree - Adrian Drover, 08 Feb 08:52AM
         Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree - Robin Walker, 08 Feb 05:27PM
             Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree - Mark Isaacs, 08 Feb 07:16PM
                 Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree - Mike Lyons, 09 Feb 07:24AM
                     Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree - Robin Walker, 09 Feb 07:36AM
                         Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree - Mike Lyons, 09 Feb 10:20AM
                             Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree - Philip Jones, 14 Aug 04:03PM
                                 Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree - Robin Walker, 14 Aug 06:44PM
                                     Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree - Philip Jones, 18 Aug 03:54PM

Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree
Posted by Ray Burkhart - 07 Feb 07:58PM
Two of the most used percussion instruments are Suspended Cymbal and Mark Tree, esp for Hollywood-style lush or atmospheric music, and Sibelius STILL does not have these instruments to select. I have written for both for years, and it amazes me that Sib doesn't offer them. Are there plans or workarounds? TIA

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Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree
Posted by Adrian Drover - 08 Feb 08:52AM
Are there no substitutes that you can use? I don't have Sib sounds, but between NP & XGM I have plenty of cymbal sounds. For mark tree, there are also bell tree, wind chimes. I always fake these with glockenspiel.
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Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree
Posted by Robin Walker - 08 Feb 05:27PM
There is a "Bell Tree" in the patches: "GM Percussion", "Studio Drum Kit", and "Brushes Kit". But it is very quiet compared to the other percussion sounds in those patches.

There are Suspended Cymbals, Suspended Cymbal Rolls, and Suspended Cymbal Crescendo rolls, in the patches: "Cymbals", and "Orchestral Percussion".

All patches listed are in the "Sibelius 7 Sounds" sample library.

In all the above cases, you will need to roll your own Drum Map configuration to access the sounds, as they do not figure in the shipping Drum Maps.

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Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree
Posted by Mark Isaacs - 08 Feb 07:16PM
There are suspended cymbal rolls and mark tree in Sibelius 6 sounds; I use them. I think the version 6 sounds can be used in later versions, but not sure exactly how.

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Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree
Posted by Mike Lyons - 09 Feb 07:24AM
You just need an instance of Sibelius 6 Essentials in your configuration and a drum map that links to those patches.

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Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree
Posted by Robin Walker - 09 Feb 07:36AM
But you can have only one instance of "Sibelius Player", and it can play EITHER the Sibelius 6 Essentials library, OR the Sibelius 7 Sounds library.

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Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree
Posted by Mike Lyons - 09 Feb 10:20AM
Yes, sorry, Robin is correct (as always)!

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Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree
Posted by Philip Jones - 14 Aug 04:03PM
There is no Mark Tree listed in the Sib 6 Manual section 4.4, but it is listed in the instruments, for example:
House Style/Edit Instruments/Drum set (Rock)/Edit Staff type/Choose sound/metal/bells/medium high/Mark Tree.

I think there are several other ways of arriving at this destination. Also, Wind Chimes which are listed in Section 4.4 under Unpitched Concert Percussion would be expected by some to produce a similar sound, though there is some difference of opinion over nomenclature.

What confuses me, and I suspect others, is that none of the options I have tried actually produces a Mark Tree sound, but some claim to have succeeded.

It would be a service to humanity if such a person would set up and post here a working mark tree notation in a sample bar in Sibelius 6.x, preferably as a 5 line Drum Set instrument, and then perhaps also as a single line notation, complete with instrument name or change, so that us lesser composers could copy and paste it into our work. Of course we would also need precise instructions on how to edit the relevant instrument in our own score to be sure it works.

If it can alternatively be done with the wind chimes, then I'll go for that as well.

Please !!!

PS. I know this is a very old thread, but the old ones are the best, especially if they solve a long-standing problem.

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Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree
Posted by Robin Walker - 14 Aug 06:44PM (edited 14 Aug 06:49PM)
> There is no Mark Tree listed in the Sib 6 Manual section 4.4,
> but it is listed in the instruments, for example:
> House Style/Edit Instruments/Drum set (Rock)/Edit Staff type/Choose sound/metal/bells/medium high/Mark Tree.

That is not a list of instruments, nor a list of available sounds. It is a list of Sibelius SoundWorld SoundIDs. The fact that a certain SoundID code exists in the abstract carries no implication that a sample sound exists in reality for that SoundID in the currently selected sample library. In the case of the Sibelius Essentials sample library, there is no sound sample by the name of "Mark Tree".

> Wind Chimes which are listed in Section 4.4 under Unpitched Concert Percussion would be expected by some to produce a similar sound

The "Wind Chimes" sample in the Essentials sample library is available in the patch "VDL Concert Percussion". It is a rule of Sibelius (inherited from MIDI) that any one unpitched percussion staff can play sounds from only one "patch" in the sample library. It is an error to attempt to configure an unpitched percussion staff with sounds from more than one "patch" in the sample library. Therefore, the Wind Chimes cannot feature on the same staff as, say, a conventional drum set (which is configured to take sounds from a different patch in the Essentials sample library).

I attach a sample Sibelius 6 score which has an extra 1-line staff for Wind Chimes, correctly configured. Either those wind chimes are very soft and quiet, or my aged ears cannot hear them - but someone else in the room assures me that they can be heard.

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Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree
Posted by Philip Jones - 18 Aug 03:54PM
Thanks Robin for taking time to prepare the score. I must say my hearing is not much, if any, better than yours. It seems that the VDL Plugin is no longer available for Sibelius 6 ? I wonder if there are other options I might have, like in Contact Gold or other previous sound sets. How might I incorporate the Mark Tree you provided into an existing Sib 6 score ?

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Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree - Ray Burkhart, 07 Feb 07:58PM
     Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree - Adrian Drover, 08 Feb 08:52AM
         Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree - Robin Walker, 08 Feb 05:27PM
             Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree - Mark Isaacs, 08 Feb 07:16PM
                 Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree - Mike Lyons, 09 Feb 07:24AM
                     Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree - Robin Walker, 09 Feb 07:36AM
                         Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree - Mike Lyons, 09 Feb 10:20AM
                             Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree - Philip Jones, 14 Aug 04:03PM
                                 Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree - Robin Walker, 14 Aug 06:44PM
                                     Re: Suspended cymbal and Mark Tree - Philip Jones, 18 Aug 03:54PM