'Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work'

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Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - goldkind, 12 Jan 12:00AM
     Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - Robin Walker, 12 Jan 09:41AM
     Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - goldkind, 12 Jan 10:01AM
         Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - Laurence Payne, 12 Jan 10:54PM
             Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - goldkind, 13 Jan 12:29AM
                 Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - Laurence Payne, 13 Jan 01:38PM
                     Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - goldkind, 13 Jan 07:56PM
                 Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - Patrick O'Keefe, 13 Jan 07:56PM
                     Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - goldkind, 13 Jan 08:18PM
                     Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - goldkind, 13 Jan 08:41PM
                         Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - Patrick O'Keefe, 13 Jan 09:00PM
                             Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - goldkind, 13 Jan 09:09PM

Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work
Posted by goldkind - 12 Jan 12:00AM

Hi all!

Just upgraded from 6 to 8. So far so good. Here's a problem, tho:

When I mute a channel in the mixer, it still plays. Why? (And for that matter, what is that half-mute function for?!?)

I've read the threads, know I can turn the volume down to zero or uncheck the PLAY box in the inspector, but it seems like I shouldn't have to do this if I could just get that mute to work in the mixer, right?

Thanks!
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Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work
Posted by Robin Walker - 12 Jan 09:41AM (edited 12 Jan 09:59AM)
Click the Mute button once for half-mute, and a second time for full mute. Then the channel will not play any longer.

The behaviour of the Mute button was exactly the same in Sibelius 6.

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Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work
Posted by goldkind - 12 Jan 10:01AM
Thanks Robin.

I FIGURED IT OUT! If you highlight anything then hit "P" to "Play from Selection" it doesn't matter if the mixer channel is muted or not. But if you just hit PLAY (spacebar) then the mutes (half or whole) work. Not intuitive at all but now I know.

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Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work
Posted by Laurence Payne - 12 Jan 10:54PM
Makes sense though, doesn't it? If you select just one stave for playback, there wouldn't be much point in it being muted.

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Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work
Posted by goldkind - 13 Jan 12:29AM
> Makes sense though, doesn't it? If you select just one stave for playback, there wouldn't be much point in it being muted.

It does and it doesn't. Still leaning towards doesn't. :) If it only happened if you highlighted only the muted staff/staves, then it might make some sense. But if you highlight the entire measure (all instruments) and then hit Play from selection, the muted instrument(s) still plays. That's not good, imo. I often highlight an entire bar as a place to start playback (or use "Go To Bar ___") as it's often quicker than scrolling the playback line. But if I do that, my mutes are rendered useless.

I know this isn't the end of the world, but I thought it worth bringing up, especially when I did, which was before I realized that it was only happening when I did Play From Selection.

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Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work
Posted by Laurence Payne - 13 Jan 01:38PM
Ah well. Yet another instance where we have to adjust 'intuition' to 'how this program does it'.

It was interesting in Danial's recent podcast to hear how he felt the Sibelius menu system - which had 'just grown' to a considerable extent - had become 'unintuitive' and required an explanatory Ribbon. Whereas Dorico, newly designed, was much more 'intuitive' and therefore didn't. In fact, in both programs, there's a great deal of 'now, where did they hide THAT function' involved.

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Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work
Posted by goldkind - 13 Jan 07:56PM
> Ah well. Yet another instance where we have to adjust 'intuition' to 'how this program does it'.
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> It was interesting in Danial's recent podcast to hear how he felt the Sibelius menu system - which had 'just grown' to a considerable extent - had become 'unintuitive' and required an explanatory Ribbon. Whereas Dorico, newly designed, was much more 'intuitive' and therefore didn't. In fact, in both programs, there's a great deal of 'now, where did they hide THAT function' involved.

Sure, Laurence, indeed that is the case. FWIW, "intuitive" like "organic" are oft-mis-used, and/or often mostly-meaningless adjectives.

I say this only because I enjoy the discussion, not because I wanted to argue the (de)merits of this particular software (that I, for the most part, love!): the mixer window in Sibelius certainly would remind anyone who uses other audio software applications of said applications' mixer windows/modules (not to mention actual hardware mixer consoles). And I feel pretty confident that none of them would work like Sibelius' does in the situation in question, i.e., allow the signal to pass through while in "MUTE" mode, in any situation whatsoever. (Certainly not Pro Tools or Logic, my two other main music applications.) Thus my previous confusion and/or consternation.

That all said, it's understood now, resolved, etc., and I thank you all for your input.

Best,
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Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work
Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 13 Jan 07:56PM
> > Makes sense though, doesn't it? If you select just one stave for playback, there wouldn't be much point in it being muted.
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> It does and it doesn't. Still leaning towards doesn't. :) If it only happened if you highlighted only the muted staff/staves, then it might make some sense. But if you highlight the entire measure (all instruments) and then hit Play from selection, the muted instrument(s) still plays. That's not good, imo. ...

But why would you bother to highlight all staves if you didn't want to here them? If you want all unmuted staves just click on the bar line where you want playback to begin.

I find the current behavior very helpful when orchestrating (or otherwise instrumenting) a piano score. I include the piano staves muted. They are immediately playable if I want to hear them (with or without other instruments) but are usually just there visually.

If the mute function did not work the way it does I would want some other way of achieving the same thing.

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Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work
Posted by goldkind - 13 Jan 08:18PM

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> But why would you bother to highlight all staves if you didn't want to here them? If you want all unmuted staves just click on the bar line where you want playback to begin.
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> Patrick O'Keefe
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Because I'm working on a large orchestra work and it's a very quick, easy ONE CLICK to highlight the bar from which I want to play. It's not a "bother" but rather a shortcut. Your post might make sense for a piece with few instruments, but for something orchestral (or with many staves, whatever the instrumentation) it seems obvious to me that it would be nice to simply trust that when you hit MUTE on the mixer that it would be, well, MUTED.


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Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work
Posted by goldkind - 13 Jan 08:41PM
> > > If you want all unmuted staves just click on the bar line where you want playback to begin.
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Patrick, after re-reading your post I saw that you wrote: "... click on the bar line..." THANK YOU! As obvious as it may seem (or, rather, as dumb as I might seem) I didn't actually realize that clicking the barline would be any different than option-clicking a bar (and thus highlighting all staves in that bar), nor that it would make the difference between hearing the "muted" staves (when clicking the entire bar) vs. not hearing them (when just clicking the barline). Again, seems obvious when you know to do it, but I didn't. But now I do, so thanks!

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Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work
Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 13 Jan 09:00PM
You can also click (not double click) on the note (on any staff - even a muted staff) where you want playback to begin. All unmuted staves will play from the point.

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Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work
Posted by goldkind - 13 Jan 09:09PM
> You can also click (not double click) on the note (on any staff - even a muted staff) where you want playback to begin. All unmuted staves will play from the point.
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> Patrick O'Keefe
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> Sib 7.5, GPO4, NotePerformer, lots of EWQL stuff
> Win10 x64 Pro Intel i7-4771, 3.50Ghz, 16GB RAM

Thanks yet AGAIN! I swear you might actually convert me to seeing this as a positive feature. :)

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Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - goldkind, 12 Jan 12:00AM
     Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - Robin Walker, 12 Jan 09:41AM
     Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - goldkind, 12 Jan 10:01AM
         Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - Laurence Payne, 12 Jan 10:54PM
             Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - goldkind, 13 Jan 12:29AM
                 Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - Laurence Payne, 13 Jan 01:38PM
                     Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - goldkind, 13 Jan 07:56PM
                 Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - Patrick O'Keefe, 13 Jan 07:56PM
                     Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - goldkind, 13 Jan 08:18PM
                     Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - goldkind, 13 Jan 08:41PM
                         Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - Patrick O'Keefe, 13 Jan 09:00PM
                             Re: Muting Mixer Channel Doesn't Work - goldkind, 13 Jan 09:09PM