'Tuplets'

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Tuplets - Peter Roos, 09 Jan 02:25AM
     Re: Tuplets - Adrian Drover, 09 Jan 07:00AM
         Re: Tuplets - Peter Roos, 09 Jan 09:36PM
             Re: Tuplets - Adrian Drover, 10 Jan 10:01AM
                 Re: Tuplets - Jeremy Hughes, 10 Jan 12:15PM

Tuplets
Posted by Peter Roos - 09 Jan 02:25AM
Good evening everyone:

A really basic question - see the attached file. Shouldn't the tuplets be made up of quarter notes, rather than eighth notes?

Thanks!

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Attachment Tuplet test (Sib 4).sib (63K)

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Re: Tuplets
Posted by Adrian Drover - 09 Jan 07:00AM (edited 09 Jan 05:18PM)
Sib treats 3/4 as compound time. To get a quarternote quadruplet, select the first quarter note or rest, goto Create/Tuplets and type "4:3" into the selection box. See attached (sib4) for alternatives. This is actually easier (quicker, less steps) to do in sib.4 than it is in sib.7 or 8.
Attachment Tuplet test expanded (Sib 4).sib (55K)

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Re: Tuplets
Posted by Peter Roos - 09 Jan 09:36PM
> Sib treats 3/4 as compound time. To get a quarternote quadruplet, select the first quarter note or rest, goto Create/Tuplets and type "4:3" into the selection box. See attached (sib4) for alternatives. This is actually easier (quicker, less steps) to do in sib.4 than it is in sib.7 or 8.


Thanks Adrian. I'm curious about the compound time, as in compounded how? It's a simple triple time, no?

Anyways, unless I'm mistaken in Sibelius 8 you enter the tuplet first and then change the ratio with the "Change Tuplet Ratio" plugin. The manual says you can also enter the ratio in Note Input > Triplets > Other, but when I type in 4:3, it looks really crazy. Not sure what's going on there.


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Re: Tuplets
Posted by Adrian Drover - 10 Jan 10:01AM (edited 10 Jan 10:07AM)
Yes, Peter, 3/4 time is described as "simple triple" in the theory books, but it seems that in tuplet creation it is regarded as "compound single" (one beat divided into 3) and follows the compound to simple rule, i.e. a triplet beat is condensed into a duplet, so 3/4 is initially condensed to 2/4, then divided into four 8ths.

I didn't know there was a plug-in for creating tuplet ratios, nor have I needed to use such.

"The manual says you can also enter the ratio in Note Input > Triplets > Other"

I thought you were using Sib.4. In that version it is simply Create/Tuplet, enter ratio, and I note that this route is still possible in sib.7-8 by right clicking rather than using the long-winded and complicated ribbon path.

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Re: Tuplets
Posted by Jeremy Hughes - 10 Jan 12:15PM
Hi

Sibelius has assigned the shortcut ctrl-4 (cmd-4 on Mac) to the tuplet ratio 4:6, and so it is not a function of the time signature class – it will happen in any context.

Users can't reassign the shortcut to 4:3, so whenever you want a 4:3 tuplet, you'll have to type it in the tuplet dialog box. WIth the first note selected, get there via Note Input>Triplets>Other (Create>Tuplets… in version 6 and earlier).

There may be a default shortcut for the tuplet dialog, I can't remember. But you can certainly assign one if this comes up a lot.

Hope that helps
Jeremy
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Tuplets - Peter Roos, 09 Jan 02:25AM
     Re: Tuplets - Adrian Drover, 09 Jan 07:00AM
         Re: Tuplets - Peter Roos, 09 Jan 09:36PM
             Re: Tuplets - Adrian Drover, 10 Jan 10:01AM
                 Re: Tuplets - Jeremy Hughes, 10 Jan 12:15PM