'Headless notes in stave and guitar tab'

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Headless notes in stave and guitar tab - Ander, 01 Jan 09:15AM
     Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab - Adrian Drover, 01 Jan 10:13AM
         Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab - Bob Zawalich, 02 Jan 03:04AM
             Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab - Adrian Drover, 02 Jan 09:11AM
                 Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab - Kai Struck, 02 Jan 01:11PM
                     Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab - Adrian Drover, 02 Jan 01:53PM
                         Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab - Kai Struck, 02 Jan 02:09PM
                             Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab - Bob Zawalich, 02 Jan 06:24PM

Headless notes in stave and guitar tab
Posted by Ander - 01 Jan 09:15AM
In flamenco pieces we use many repetitions often with small changes in a chord.

Instead of painting the score totally black, repeated chords are noted with single lines.

Little changes are shown with only the note changed, so you see instantly what to change.

A lot can be achieved with headless notes, but there are caveats:

1. (Help) ledger lines appear below or above the ledger while I only want to have the stem line repeated, not the extra ledger lines;
2. In the guitar tab, there is not alternative for the headless note.

Any tricks ore extensions?

Thanks, Ander
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Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab
Posted by Adrian Drover - 01 Jan 10:13AM (edited 01 Jan 10:44AM)
Unless playback is important (only the top note plays), the attached may be an option. This is achieved by creating a new notehead (#31 in the attached) with up-stem shortened by -3.5. It works well for notation, not so well for tab.
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Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 02 Jan 03:04AM
You can edit the Headless style (or New one from it) to not use ledger lines, and playback will work (though they are invisible so be careful with them).

As Adrian points out, there is not much you can do with tab. Notehead styles do not affect tab, and while you can play with the font for a tab staff, it is kind of all or nothing, and mixing numbers with just staff lines does not work.

So in the tab you could delete all but the top note but have no extended staff, or leave them in and assume that they will at least glance at the notation staff to see what is missing.

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Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab
Posted by Adrian Drover - 02 Jan 09:11AM (edited 02 Jan 09:30AM)
Bob, I should point out that there is a headless notehead (#7) included in the default list and, on inspection, this already has leger lines unchecked. But as long as the top chord note is normal (#0), leger lines still appear on headless notes that drop below the staff. I don't know why this happens, but it does. This is the reason why I have always used a homemade notehead style with extended downstem for this purpose. As an option, if playback is important, the whole chord can be entered in voice 2 and hidden.

Aha, PS, I have the answer. Create a new notehead based on #0 and uncheck leger line. So now the top note is legerless and all others headless. Of course this is still only good for notation, not tab.

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Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab
Posted by Kai Struck - 02 Jan 01:11PM (edited 02 Jan 01:19PM)
Clever. But when the top note needs a leger line? Perhaps I would just use normal top notheads and always set the lowest note to d. (If Playback isn't important.)

I like these riddles :-)
For Tab you can create a new tab staff type and set it to use letters instead of numbers and don't "white out around notes".In the Rhythm tab uncheck "only draw stems beyound extra space".
Then if you set the Textstyle of "Tablature letters" to a very tiny size of 0.5,regular they appear smaller than the tablature lines.
Now you can just insert this style as instrument change when needed.



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Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab
Posted by Adrian Drover - 02 Jan 01:53PM
Yes, of course, Kai, I hadn't considered the top note going above the staff which, of course, it may well do.

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Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab
Posted by Kai Struck - 02 Jan 02:09PM
But your solution works if you work with 2 voices: Voice 1 for upper notes with leger lines and Voice 3 for bottom notes without leger lines.

To be honest, I would fake all with vertical lines. A custom vertical line of the same width as the stems. and then copy and paste. This would also be the best solution for Tabs when a number is needed. (The above "letter solution" is good when only Rhythm is needed)

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Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 02 Jan 06:24PM
Nice, Kai.

I played around a but with tab fonts but never got anything that worked. Nice to have that option if it ever shows up again.

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Headless notes in stave and guitar tab - Ander, 01 Jan 09:15AM
     Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab - Adrian Drover, 01 Jan 10:13AM
         Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab - Bob Zawalich, 02 Jan 03:04AM
             Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab - Adrian Drover, 02 Jan 09:11AM
                 Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab - Kai Struck, 02 Jan 01:11PM
                     Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab - Adrian Drover, 02 Jan 01:53PM
                         Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab - Kai Struck, 02 Jan 02:09PM
                             Re: Headless notes in stave and guitar tab - Bob Zawalich, 02 Jan 06:24PM