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Sib. 6.x: About those multirests - Peter Ballinger, 19 Oct 06:00PM
     Re: Sib. 6.x: About those multirests - Adrian Drover, 19 Oct 07:05PM
         Re: Sib. 6.x: About those multirests - Peter Ballinger, 19 Oct 11:50PM
             Re: Sib. 6.x: About those multirests - Adrian Drover, 20 Oct 07:53AM

Sib. 6.x: About those multirests
Posted by Peter Ballinger - 19 Oct 06:00PM
RE The replies I received about multi-rests in Parts: thanks, but all of them overlooked my jpg file. As a Sib. user for many years, I know you can select "old style" multi-rests in the Parts menu, but you get only the sequence: whole rest; double whole rest; and double w.r. plus whole rest, etc for 1, 2 and 3 measures rest. What is needed in 4/2 and higher meters is: double whole rest (thin, vertical, 1 space high); thin, vertical, 2 spaces high; & the same plus another double whole rest for 1, 2, & 3 measures rest...and so on up to 5 measures, beyond which the H-bar shape applies. My jpg shows a 3-measure rest in 3/2 and 4/2 meters (not created in Sibelius!). These rest shapes can be copied from the Z-folder (near the bottom) but the narrow rests do not eclipse the wider "modern" whole rest so cannot be directly substituted. If you "hide" the unwanted rest, you lose the essential number above the staff, which then has to be recreated with a text number. I (among others?) prodded Daniel, successfully, to introduce the double whole rest in 4/2 SCORES many years ago, but that was as far as it went, unfortunately.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: About those multirests
Posted by Adrian Drover - 19 Oct 07:05PM (edited 19 Oct 07:06PM)
The rests in the first measure of your jpg, Peter, don't add up according to your reckoning. 3 measures of 3/2 = 4½ whole notes. That should be vertical bar spanning 2 spaces (4 wholes) plus horizontal bar sitting on the middle staff line (1 half).

PS. You didn't need to start another thread.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: About those multirests
Posted by Peter Ballinger - 19 Oct 11:50PM
Well, yes, I had to start a new thread, because the old one vanished from my browser when I made a correction to the thread (threads only last me for a single visit although I tried to set up for 2 weeks!). And, in an empty measure in a part, a "bar rest" is denoted by a single rest, which is either a single whole note (semibreve) rest (for meters ranging up to 4/2), or a single double whole-note (breve) rest, for meters of 4/2 or greater. Adrian, you don't sum the total number of *beats* in a tacet period and show the result in actual rests! You count the number of tacet *measures* and use a combination of semibreve rests that equals that *number*. So 3 tacet measures in *any* meter less than 4/2 is denoted in parts by a breve rest and a whole rest which add up to 3 semibreves [unless the H-bar style is used]. See Gould "Behind Bars", p.564-5 (2013 edn.) Meters such as 4/2, 6/2 etc. are used almost exclusively in pre-18th century music and Gould doesn't deal with their special problems: but people who play 17th century fantasias don't like tacet 4/2 measures with a single semibreve rest and I have to go along with that in my publications.
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Re: Sib. 6.x: About those multirests
Posted by Adrian Drover - 20 Oct 07:53AM
Yes, Peter, I realise that sib's old style multi-rests don't count actual note lengths, but rather the number of measures, which made me wonder why you want a multirest in 4/2 time to appear different to a one in 3/2 time. Also, H-rests don't come into being until 8 rest measures or more, not 6 as you stated earlier. A 7-measure rest is made up as double-breve plus a breve plus a semibreve rest (or 4+2+1 whole-notes).

Anyway, I'm not an expert on old style music, so I'll shut up now, and hope you find a way to get what you are looking for.

Cheers, A.

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Sib. 6.x: About those multirests - Peter Ballinger, 19 Oct 06:00PM
     Re: Sib. 6.x: About those multirests - Adrian Drover, 19 Oct 07:05PM
         Re: Sib. 6.x: About those multirests - Peter Ballinger, 19 Oct 11:50PM
             Re: Sib. 6.x: About those multirests - Adrian Drover, 20 Oct 07:53AM