I find it odd that, out of the same score, I cannot move the top line, from some individual parts, UP, to create more space and cut down on the number of pages. Any help with be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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I am using: Sibelius 6.2
My operating system is Windows 10 x 64Bits
By top line, do you mean top staff? Goto Layout/DocumentSetUp and edit page & staff margins. In sib.6, to do this globally goto Window/Parts/MultiplePartAppearance.
Hi Adrian, Yes by top line I mean top staff in the individual part/s. I did Layout/DocumentSetUp/etc and it worked in making the side margins narrower, thus saving on number of staves, thus reducing number of pages most of the time. However, this does not resolve the issue why the top
staff will not move up (some with plenty of space to the top of the page), avoiding having to reduce margins, whilst other individual parts let you drag up thus making the whole thing more easy and appropriate. Reducing margins for some individual parts whilst leaving others as is might not be ideal if you are submitting them to the publisher. Thanks for your help.
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I am using: Sibelius 6.2
My operating system is Windows 10 x 64Bits
This will be to do with Document Setup > Margins, and you may also wish to visit two other settings - one, Engraving Rules > Staves > xx spaces between staves, and two, Justify Staves when page is at least xx% full.
I'm on Sibelius 7.1.3 and never used 6 - perhaps someone else will be along to help you find those settings if you can't find them yourself.
Apart from some small final adjustments it's best not to try to manage the layout by dragging staves around.
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Chris Crawley (composer and horn-player) using Dorico 1.1, Sibelius 7.1.3, NotePerformer 2.0.2, Windows 10 64-bit, Intel Core i7, 3.30GHz, 64GB RAM, DacMagic 100
Hi Chris, Re what you mentioned about Document SetUp, kindly see my response to Adrian Drover. My issue is why some first staves can be dragged up, while others do not let you, and this is when there is quite a fair bit of space between the top staff and top of the page. This makes reducing number of pages in individual parts harder to achieve. My thanks for taking the time to respond. Kind regards - Carm.
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I am using: Sibelius 6.2
My operating system is Windows 10 x 64Bits
Carmelo, what you describe is precisely what is controlled by the "Top Staff Margin" in "Document Setup", as already described by Adrian above. It is possible that you have been incorrectly adjusting the Top Page Margin, which is not what you want.
Adjust the Top Staff Margin.
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Sibelius 8.6/7.5.1/7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 8.0.4, Dolet 6.6 for Sibelius, Windows 10 64-bit 16GB. Desktop no-name, Microsoft Surface Book.
Hi Robin,
I did a bit of find-out about the Document SetUps of those individual parts that will not let me move the top staff, and those that do let me. Fixing the margins as per those individual parts that let me move the top staff fixed the problem. The strange thing about it is that I do not recall changing any SetUps in any of the individual parts. I also found out that changing some Viewing Breaks help reduce number of pages and/or allow some shifting to be done (e.g: had one part that kept on showing 8 bar rest as the bottom staff no matter what I try to do, but then deleting one of the viewing breaks eliminated this issue).
Anyway, I thank you, and Adrian, for helping me solve this problem, and best wishes and all the best to both of you. Carm.
By the way, also in the Document Setup, what do 'Full names','Short names', No names refer to, and do I need to alter these in any way, or just leave them as they appear ? Thanks.
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I am using: Sibelius 6.2
My operating system is Windows 10 x 64Bits
Full names are the instrument names listed on the first system, and short names are those shown on subsequent systems (I.e., full name = violin, short name = vln.)
By the way, the next time you need to change margins like that, go to the parts tab, click on setup, and choose "all parts" and you'll only have to do it once.
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windows 7 and 10 Professional, Sibelius 7.1.3 and 8.7.1
Could it be that you set up some of the parts and then added new ones? The new parts would take the default margin settings, not the ones you had so carefully applied to your existing parts!
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Win 10 Pro x64, 1.6GHz Intel i7 Quad core, 8GB,7TB 7200rpm HDD, Scarlett 6i6, Sib 6.2,7.5, 8.6.1 NotePerformer, GPO4 & 5, COMB2, EWQLSO Plat, EWQLSC,
Si me castigare vis, necesse est me intellexisse.
Thank you Jeff for your explanations on 'full names' and 'short names", and advice on 'set-up'.
What would 'no names' on the same set-up page mean then ?
Regards.
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I am using: Sibelius 6.2
My operating system is Windows 10 x 64Bits
Thanks again Robin. Sorry for late response. I am having problems with accessing Sibelius Forum (apparently others as well) - it keep coming up with a message "The page you are viewing uses Java....." but I have the latest version installed. Sibelius is the only place where this this message is coming up. Another issue I had for years is that though I tick "I would like email notification ......" I never get any emails in my in tray, and this in spite of several communications with several people on this forum, including I think people from Sibelius as well. I do not have any similar issues with other sources. I am starting to think that Sibelius is not that flash anymore when it comes to customer satisfaction/and or help.
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I am using: Sibelius 6.2
My operating system is Windows 10 x 64Bits
> it keep coming up with a message "The page you are viewing uses Java....."
This is a message from your web-browser, not from the Sibelius forum.
> but I have the latest version installed.
Make sure that you have the truly latest version of Java installed, then quit your web-browser, then re-launch the web-browser. Also, make sure that the PC does not have an old version of Java installed as well as the latest one. If there are old versions, uninstall then from control panel "Programs and Features".
> Sibelius is the only place where this this message is coming up.
Any web page that uses Java will provoke this message from your web-browser whenever it detects that you have an out-of-date Java installed. Maybe the other forums that you visit do not link with Java.
> Another issue I had for years is that though I tick "I would like email notification ......" I never get any emails
This has not worked for years. We just live without it.
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Sibelius 8.6/7.5.1/7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 8.0.4, Dolet 6.6 for Sibelius, Windows 10 64-bit 16GB. Desktop no-name, Microsoft Surface Book.
Yes I am sure I have only the latest Java installed, and No, other web pages do not come up with this message. No offence meant, but it's like one of the things I was told about not receiving copies of emails, though I tick "I would like email notification" - someone told me they are getting copies and cannot see why I do not. Now you confirmed that this has not worked for years, which is at least a confirmation that I was not the only one. I wonder why Sibelius has not fixed this issue though it has been going on for some years !
Having said all this, I am however glad that thanks to you and others I managed to sort my problem about the 'Individual parts'.
Cheers.
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I am using: Sibelius 6.2
My operating system is Windows 10 x 64Bits
