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The transpose function won't work - dvdhat, 08 Sep 03:14PM
     Re: The transpose function won't work - Adrian Drover, 08 Sep 03:38PM
         Re: The transpose function won't work - dvdhat, 08 Sep 04:25PM
             Re: The transpose function won't work - Chris Crawley, 08 Sep 07:25PM
                 Re: The transpose function won't work - Patrick O'Keefe, 08 Sep 09:54PM
                     Re: The transpose function won't work - Laurence Payne, 08 Sep 11:30PM
                         Re: The transpose function won't work - Patrick O'Keefe, 08 Sep 11:33PM
                             Re: The transpose function won't work - Chris Crawley, 09 Sep 10:14AM
                                 Re: The transpose function won't work - Adrian Drover, 09 Sep 11:14AM
                                     Re: The transpose function won't work - Michael Kent-Davies, 09 Sep 05:47PM
                                         Re: The transpose function won't work - Adrian Drover, 10 Sep 07:19AM
                                             Re: The transpose function won't work - Mark Isaacs, 10 Sep 09:07AM
                                                 Re: The transpose function won't work - Laurence Payne, 10 Sep 09:40AM
                                                     Re: The transpose function won't work - pianoleo, 10 Sep 09:53AM
                                                     Re: The transpose function won't work - Mark Isaacs, 10 Sep 11:08AM
                                                         Re: The transpose function won't work - Adrian Drover, 10 Sep 12:54PM
                                                             Re: The transpose function won't work - Laurence Payne, 10 Sep 01:21PM
                                                                 Re: The transpose function won't work - Mike Lyons, 10 Sep 08:38PM
                                                             Re: The transpose function won't work - Mark Isaacs, 11 Sep 05:58AM
                                                                 Re: The transpose function won't work - Patrick O'Keefe, 11 Sep 04:08PM

The transpose function won't work
Posted by dvdhat - 08 Sep 03:14PM
I had been using the transpose function successfully and then when I went to use it later in the session, the function wouldn't work. I have tried restarting my laptop and the problem still persists. Any suggestions/solutions? Thanks Dave

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Re: The transpose function won't work
Posted by Adrian Drover - 08 Sep 03:38PM
Need more detail. Do you mean Transposing Score (Home tab), or Transpose (Note Input Tab) is not working? What exactly are you trying to transpose?

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Re: The transpose function won't work
Posted by dvdhat - 08 Sep 04:25PM
I have found the problem, I was on Home rather than note input. I hadn't realised this feature was in two places. Thanks for your help. Dave

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Re: The transpose function won't work
Posted by Chris Crawley - 08 Sep 07:25PM (edited 08 Sep 07:25PM)
"I hadn't realised this feature was in two places."

It's not one feature in two places. It's two features, in different places.

"Transposing Score" does what it says: if selected, it presents the whole score with all transposing instruments transposed.

"Transpose" will change the pitch of a selected passage according to the interval you specify.

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Re: The transpose function won't work
Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 08 Sep 09:54PM
> It's not one feature in two places. It's two features, in different places.
>
I would say it's two features in the same relative position in two tabs. I'm forever hitting "Transposing Score" when I want "Transpose", but it's pretty obvious what has happened and it causes no problem (as long as I remember to toggle "Transposing Score" back).
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Re: The transpose function won't work
Posted by Laurence Payne - 08 Sep 11:30PM
Surely you don't actually use the Ribbon for a simple requirement like Transpose? Shift-T.

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Re: The transpose function won't work
Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 08 Sep 11:33PM
We've had this discussion before. I use very few shortcuts. That's not the way my brain works. I tend to use entries in menus.

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Re: The transpose function won't work
Posted by Chris Crawley - 09 Sep 10:14AM (edited 09 Sep 10:15AM)
"I use very few shortcuts. That's not the way my brain works. I tend to use entries in menus."

You're not alone. Shortcuts just don't "mean" anything to me - they're abstractions that don't relate to anything in my mind.

Which might mean, of course, that I'm too lazy to learn them.

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Chris Crawley (composer and horn-player) using Dorico 1.1, Sibelius 7.1.3, NotePerformer 2.0.2, Windows 10 64-bit, Intel Core i7, 3.30GHz, 64GB RAM, DacMagic 100

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Re: The transpose function won't work
Posted by Adrian Drover - 09 Sep 11:14AM
I only use shortcuts for functions I use often and regularly. Transpose or Transposing Score are not functions I use often or regularly. No need. I score in concert pitch and have all the instruments' transposed ranges, positions and fingerings in my head. And Sib saves me the bother of having to manually transpose dynamic parts.

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Re: The transpose function won't work
Posted by Michael Kent-Davies - 09 Sep 05:47PM
I try to use shortcuts but never seem to get round to learning new ones.
It's definitely quicker to use less mouse in the long term, but like Patrick, it's a battle for my brain!!

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Re: The transpose function won't work
Posted by Adrian Drover - 10 Sep 07:19AM
If you are in note input mode and your hand is already on the mouse, it seems to me that hitting the ribbon button is quicker than having to abandon the mouse to type shift/t.

I remember in the Finn era of Sib, we were encouraged to use the keyboard in preference to the mouse. It never caught on (with me at least).

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Re: The transpose function won't work
Posted by Mark Isaacs - 10 Sep 09:07AM (edited 10 Sep 09:07AM)
> If you are in note input mode and your hand is already on the mouse it seems to me that hitting the ribbon button is quicker than having to abandon the mouse to type shift/t.

>I remember in the Finn era of Sib, we were encouraged to use the keyboard in preference to the mouse. It never caught on (with me at least).

Note input for me does not involve a mouse (and I don't use a MIDI keyboard). I use the the numeric keypad and the alphanumeric keyboard to enter notes. Unlike Adrian I took that early advice to abandon the mouse seriously. And I'm so glad I did.

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Re: The transpose function won't work
Posted by Laurence Payne - 10 Sep 09:40AM
There are obviously situations where a MIDI keyboard is impractical. But when one is available, it seems perverse not to take advantage.

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Re: The transpose function won't work
Posted by pianoleo - 10 Sep 09:53AM
Just a little reminder that you can use the keyboard to get round the ribbon more quickly, even if you can't commit individual shortcuts to memory.

If you tap Alt (in Windows) or Ctrl (in macOS) then letters will appear against the ribbon tabs. For example, if you want Optimise Staves, and you know it's on the Layout tab, it can be much quicker to type Alt/Ctrl L OS than to use the mouse.

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Re: The transpose function won't work
Posted by Mark Isaacs - 10 Sep 11:08AM (edited 10 Sep 11:26AM)
> There are obviously situations where a MIDI keyboard is impractical. But when one is available, it seems perverse not to take advantage.

By choice, I don't own any kind of keyboard other than a big grand piano. Haven't since 1982. As a performer I only play piano. In the room in which I do Sibelius input, a MIDI keyboard would only clutter my desk and space. Plus having one hooked up to Sibelius would tempt me not to rely on my ear 100%.

I'm very happy to be "perverse". It's taken me places, and will continue to do so :)

However, I am not advocating my eccentricities for public consumption! My point about eschewing a MIDI keyboard was only made in passing: not using a MIDI keyboard, I really needed to find the quickest note input method without it, and ditching the mouse was the best move. All things being equal, note input without the mouse has to be better.
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Re: The transpose function won't work
Posted by Adrian Drover - 10 Sep 12:54PM
Even as a non-pianist, Mark, I find step time MIDI keyboard input the fastest and easiest method for me. It certainly doesn't deter me from using my ears as a composing tool. They tell me which notes to hit ;-) And I find it especially useful for entering 4 or 5 part thickened (concerted) line for eventual explosion.

I salute you, Laurence, for making full use of your qwerty pad. Do you not find the constant octave shifting and accidental adjustment laborious? Mind you, I still have to use the enharmonic (return) button a lot with MIDI input.

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Re: The transpose function won't work
Posted by Laurence Payne - 10 Sep 01:21PM
I'm the person who was recommending using a MIDI keyboard, if available! Though when one isn't, I've been surprised how quickly I CAN work on just computer keys. Whichever way I'm working, my secret weapon is the R key, whether for a note, a phrase or a whole section.

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Re: The transpose function won't work
Posted by Mike Lyons - 10 Sep 08:38PM
I do not play keyboards well enough (through a combination of physical disability and laziness) to play stuff in. However, as I rarely write stuff of symphonic proportions I can speedily input stuff using only the computer keyboard. I did learn many of the shortcuts for functions I use frequently and I find that it suits my way of working. To each his own!

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Re: The transpose function won't work
Posted by Mark Isaacs - 11 Sep 05:58AM
> Even as a non-pianist, Mark, I find step time MIDI keyboard input the fastest and easiest method for me. It certainly doesn't deter me from using my ears as a composing tool.

But because I AM a pianist, if I had a keyboard there I may be tempted to use it for more than note input (since I understand you can just turn note input off, and play it, and hear it). That was my point. Just the avoidance of temptation (for me). I sketch at the piano, and compose away from the piano. That was the situation pre-Sibelius. When Sibelius came along, I just kept all keyboards away when composing, as per the previous situation. Maybe Laurence still thinks that's "perverse", but there is much method in my mad perversions.

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Re: The transpose function won't work
Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 11 Sep 04:08PM
True perversion would be not using whatever works best for us. And what works best is probably different for each of us.

In spite of my not using many shortcuts I, as Laurence, do use "R" a lot. A friend of mine uses copy-and-paste for that. I use the octave shift shortcuts. He uses Transpose (but he does use a shortcut for Transpose). To each his own.

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The transpose function won't work - dvdhat, 08 Sep 03:14PM
     Re: The transpose function won't work - Adrian Drover, 08 Sep 03:38PM
         Re: The transpose function won't work - dvdhat, 08 Sep 04:25PM
             Re: The transpose function won't work - Chris Crawley, 08 Sep 07:25PM
                 Re: The transpose function won't work - Patrick O'Keefe, 08 Sep 09:54PM
                     Re: The transpose function won't work - Laurence Payne, 08 Sep 11:30PM
                         Re: The transpose function won't work - Patrick O'Keefe, 08 Sep 11:33PM
                             Re: The transpose function won't work - Chris Crawley, 09 Sep 10:14AM
                                 Re: The transpose function won't work - Adrian Drover, 09 Sep 11:14AM
                                     Re: The transpose function won't work - Michael Kent-Davies, 09 Sep 05:47PM
                                         Re: The transpose function won't work - Adrian Drover, 10 Sep 07:19AM
                                             Re: The transpose function won't work - Mark Isaacs, 10 Sep 09:07AM
                                                 Re: The transpose function won't work - Laurence Payne, 10 Sep 09:40AM
                                                     Re: The transpose function won't work - pianoleo, 10 Sep 09:53AM
                                                     Re: The transpose function won't work - Mark Isaacs, 10 Sep 11:08AM
                                                         Re: The transpose function won't work - Adrian Drover, 10 Sep 12:54PM
                                                             Re: The transpose function won't work - Laurence Payne, 10 Sep 01:21PM
                                                                 Re: The transpose function won't work - Mike Lyons, 10 Sep 08:38PM
                                                             Re: The transpose function won't work - Mark Isaacs, 11 Sep 05:58AM
                                                                 Re: The transpose function won't work - Patrick O'Keefe, 11 Sep 04:08PM