'Change time signature from 4/4 to 12/8 with Triplets '

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Change time signature from 4/4 to 12/8 with Tri... - Thier Angers, 19 Jul 06:28PM
     Re: Change time signature from 4/4 to 12/8 with... - Bob Zawalich, 19 Jul 07:30PM
         Re: Change time signature from 4/4 to 12/8 with... - Bob Zawalich, 19 Jul 07:40PM
             Re: Change time signature from 4/4 to 12/8 with... - Thier Angers, 27 Jul 09:09PM
                 Re: Change time signature from 4/4 to 12/8 with... - Laurence Payne, 28 Jul 11:48AM

Change time signature from 4/4 to 12/8 with Triplets
Posted by Thier Angers - 19 Jul 06:28PM
I posted before on how to change time signature from 4/4 to 12/8, using the "Convert Simple time to Compound Time" plugin, but this time it doesn't work properly.

I get full of "Tuplet missed from bar xx" errors, so basically, since the whole piece is in triplets, I lose time rewriting it all.

There must be a way to convert a score's time signature? Finale does it very easily...

Thanks
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Re: Change time signature from 4/4 to 12/8 with Triplets
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 19 Jul 07:30PM (edited 19 Jul 07:31PM)
You can certainly just change the time signature, which will leave the notes untouched but will rebar the score.

This is probably not what you want though.

Tuplets are hard to deal with in plugins, are often end up skipped. For a long time it was not possible to create tuplets in plugins, and it was not possible to change notes within tuplets.

Since this plugin generates new notes I suspect that it was just not able to deal with tuplets.

Shipping plugins very rarely get updated. They have never been very high on the development priority list.




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Re: Change time signature from 4/4 to 12/8 with Triplets
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 19 Jul 07:40PM
Looking at the code I see that straightforward unnested *triplets* are handled correctly, since multiplying the duration of notes inside such a triplet gives you the duration of the same note outside the triplet.

The comments in the code say:

// Triplet quavers, crotchets and minims are handled correctly.
// Other tuplets, grace notes, unmanagable pick up bars and bars
// whose source bar does not hav a 4 in the time sig denominator
// are identified with a warning label, stating what has been missed
// and which bar it originated from.



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Re: Change time signature from 4/4 to 12/8 with Triplets
Posted by Thier Angers - 27 Jul 09:09PM
Maybe in theory, triplets are handled correctly, but, for example, I want to move notes to voice #2, and I can't do it if they are in a tuplet...

It would be nice to have a fix!
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Re: Change time signature from 4/4 to 12/8 with Triplets
Posted by Laurence Payne - 28 Jul 11:48AM
However, the plugin DOES work, as illustrated in this trivial example. Perhaps you could show us a sib file illustrating your failure, and explain exactly what you were trying to do?
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Change time signature from 4/4 to 12/8 with Tri... - Thier Angers, 19 Jul 06:28PM
     Re: Change time signature from 4/4 to 12/8 with... - Bob Zawalich, 19 Jul 07:30PM
         Re: Change time signature from 4/4 to 12/8 with... - Bob Zawalich, 19 Jul 07:40PM
             Re: Change time signature from 4/4 to 12/8 with... - Thier Angers, 27 Jul 09:09PM
                 Re: Change time signature from 4/4 to 12/8 with... - Laurence Payne, 28 Jul 11:48AM