'OT. Opinions please'

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OT. Opinions please - Adrian Drover, 28 Jun 08:46AM
     Re: OT. Opinions please - Tony Wakefield, 28 Jun 09:06AM
         Re: OT. Opinions please - Terry Dwyer, 28 Jun 10:08AM
             Re: OT. Opinions please - Dave P-B, 28 Jun 12:16PM
                 Re: OT. Opinions please - Adrian Drover, 28 Jun 01:06PM
                     Re: OT. Opinions please - Tony Wakefield, 28 Jun 03:20PM
                         Re: OT. Opinions please - Laurence Payne, 28 Jun 05:03PM
                             Re: OT. Opinions please - Adrian Drover, 29 Jun 07:47AM
         Re: OT. Opinions please - Flare, 29 Jun 12:23PM
             Re: OT. Opinions please - Adrian Drover, 29 Jun 03:49PM
                 Re: OT. Opinions please - Philip Sparke, 30 Jun 08:47AM
                     Re: OT. Opinions please - Adrian Drover, 30 Jun 09:11AM

OT. Opinions please
Posted by Adrian Drover - 28 Jun 08:46AM
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Re: OT. Opinions please
Posted by Tony Wakefield - 28 Jun 09:06AM
My 6 penneth worth.
1. Yes, but only if the singer has good ear`oles.

Otherwise 2. 2 sounds much more logical that 3 which sounds quite angular and `suddenly` strange.

I thank you . . . . .

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Re: OT. Opinions please
Posted by Terry Dwyer - 28 Jun 10:08AM

Neither. Use an F7 on beat 3.
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Re: OT. Opinions please
Posted by Dave P-B - 28 Jun 12:16PM

Like Tony, I think I'd go for option 2. Even though the entire progression isn't played, I still hear (or my brain 'hears') the logic of Gm7 to C7 being the last half of a I, VI, IIm7, V7 progression.

Incidentally and possibly worthless, but having played a few piano introductions, I'd play an entire I, VI, IIm7, V7 progression, which leaves no room for doubt

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Re: OT. Opinions please
Posted by Adrian Drover - 28 Jun 01:06PM
Thank you, Tony & Dave. Yes, the ii7, V7 option sounds safest to me too, yet iii7, VI7 seems most logical since the song doesn't start on the tonic chord. I would certainly use the latter for a turnaround going back to ii.

Terry, I'm not sure I understand your preference for F7.
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Re: OT. Opinions please
Posted by Tony Wakefield - 28 Jun 03:20PM
Terry loves effing 7ths . . . . .

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Re: OT. Opinions please
Posted by Laurence Payne - 28 Jun 05:03PM (edited 28 Jun 05:04PM)
I'd much prefer to give him the key without actually pre-empting his note. I've rarely had to explain that a dominant bell note isn't the *actual* note the singer starts on (though if they start over-thinking it, problems can be found). If this is to be a string arrangement, an inverted dominant pedal could be effective over quite a few bars. Or here's some other ideas which set the bearings without taking the impact of that first note away from the singer,
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Re: OT. Opinions please
Posted by Adrian Drover - 29 Jun 07:47AM
I should explain that this is a transcription from a Barry Manilow big band recording in which the singer picks up alone and then accompanied only by piano. My client is worried about getting his first note right, and I have promised him that the pianist will help him with this. But he wants to hear a piano tinkle on the playback I have sent him. So I'm trying to avoid writing an epic MGM intro and find the least fussy cue that will help the singer. This is not straight forward as the song starts on the supertonic (ii) chord. A dominant (V) bell is not very helpful as the vocal pickup starts on the mediant (III).
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Re: OT. Opinions please
Posted by Flare - 29 Jun 12:23PM
Definitely the third option. Mel Tormé would have loved this opening.

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Re: OT. Opinions please
Posted by Adrian Drover - 29 Jun 03:49PM (edited 29 Jun 03:52PM)
Yes, Snaps, I wholeheartedly agree, but Mel was a skilled musician, composer and harmony-smith, rather than just a band singer. But for the average vocalist, I feel I need to dumb down a little. At least #2 gives best indication of the key, if not the first chord of the song.
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Re: OT. Opinions please
Posted by Philip Sparke - 30 Jun 08:47AM
Not that my opinion is worth anything, but I'd go for the 2nd option. The third seems harmonically weaker with the repeated D9-/Gm7 pattern

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Re: OT. Opinions please
Posted by Adrian Drover - 30 Jun 09:11AM
Your opinion is worth a lot to me, Philip. I'm using #2 for safety's sake, and the client is happy with it.
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OT. Opinions please - Adrian Drover, 28 Jun 08:46AM
     Re: OT. Opinions please - Tony Wakefield, 28 Jun 09:06AM
         Re: OT. Opinions please - Terry Dwyer, 28 Jun 10:08AM
             Re: OT. Opinions please - Dave P-B, 28 Jun 12:16PM
                 Re: OT. Opinions please - Adrian Drover, 28 Jun 01:06PM
                     Re: OT. Opinions please - Tony Wakefield, 28 Jun 03:20PM
                         Re: OT. Opinions please - Laurence Payne, 28 Jun 05:03PM
                             Re: OT. Opinions please - Adrian Drover, 29 Jun 07:47AM
         Re: OT. Opinions please - Flare, 29 Jun 12:23PM
             Re: OT. Opinions please - Adrian Drover, 29 Jun 03:49PM
                 Re: OT. Opinions please - Philip Sparke, 30 Jun 08:47AM
                     Re: OT. Opinions please - Adrian Drover, 30 Jun 09:11AM