'Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause problems in Flexi-time note input? '

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Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause prob... - Naama Eilon, 18 Jun 09:45PM
     Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause ... - Naama Eilon, 18 Jun 09:48PM
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             Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause ... - Laurence Payne, 18 Jun 11:51PM
                 Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause ... - Naama Eilon, 19 Jun 07:07AM
                     Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause ... - Andy G, 19 Jun 09:59AM
                         Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause ... - Laurence Payne, 19 Jun 04:06PM
                             Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause ... - Robert Enns, 19 Jun 06:43PM
                                 Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause ... - Ronald Pearl, 19 Jun 07:28PM
                                     Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause ... - Laurence Payne, 19 Jun 08:57PM

Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause problems in Flexi-time note input?
Posted by Naama Eilon - 18 Jun 09:45PM
Hi there,
I have a problem with Flexi-time input and I would like to find out if the cause of the problem is my midi keyboard or my Flexi-time settings.

I have a relatively new midi keyboard which has after-touch function. Since I started working with it I have a problem of missing notes after recording: especially when entering tuplets where the first note of the tuplet doesn't start on the downbeat, some notes are skipped and don't appear in the score (there are rests in the places where the notes should have been placed).I tried to tweak the flexibility settings on the Flexi-time dialog but it didn't help. I've also tried to change the tuplet "style" on the notation tab to moderate and complex but it didn't help either.

Almost each time there is a mix of eights and sixteenths notes/rests there are missing notes and incorrect rhythm. I'm suspecting that this may be related to the after-touch function or maybe I miss something in the setting of a tuplet recording?

I'm attaching print-screens of my current Flexi-time setting and performance window.

Any ideas on how to solve this problem are much appreciated.

Thanks,

Na'ama

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Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause problems in Flexi-time note input?
Posted by Naama Eilon - 18 Jun 09:48PM

I see that only one file is attached...here are the others:
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Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause problems in Flexi-time note input?
Posted by Naama Eilon - 18 Jun 09:49PM


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Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause problems in Flexi-time note input?
Posted by Laurence Payne - 18 Jun 11:51PM
Aftertouch shouldn't be a problem.

Make sure the device that is playing your Sibelius sounds (and the click) has minimal audio latency. (The magic words are 'ASIO driver'.)

Turn tempo flexibility off completely.

Play VERY correctly, dead on the click. Think notation, not music!

Don't expect miracles from Flexitime input. It's probably the least useful way of getting notes into Sibelius.
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Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause problems in Flexi-time note input?
Posted by Naama Eilon - 19 Jun 07:07AM
Thank you for the fast reply Laurence. It was important for me to eliminate the keyboard as the cause of this problem.

I do have a minimal latency of 3.95 ms so this isn't the problem. I will try again today to play it with the flexibility on none rubato.

What is the most efficient way to enter notes into Sibelius in your opinion? By efficient I mean to the fastest way which also results in a musical playback..

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Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause problems in Flexi-time note input?
Posted by Andy G - 19 Jun 09:59AM
You're asking for two different things at the same time! Accurate input of notation, which requires non-musical input (or a lot of correction) and then musical playback.

After years of using the programme, it's quicker for me to input using QWERTY keyboard and mouse. Playback - if it's piano, keyboard or organ I just play it live and record it. Orchestral? I'll transfer some of the Sibelius score into a DAW, 'adjust' the tempo as required for rubato and then play the important bits in live.

I don't think there's any 'magic bullet' solution! And everyone will go their own way - I just do what works for me.

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Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause problems in Flexi-time note input?
Posted by Laurence Payne - 19 Jun 04:06PM (edited 19 Jun 04:07PM)
I find the most effecient method is with one hand on the numeric key-pad for durations, the other on a MIDI keyboard for pitches.

But couple that with constant awareness of where copy/paste/modify will save you time. Music is full or pattern and repetition, make the most of it!

For fully 'musical' performance play into a sequencer and forget about what the notation looks like. Sibelius is for producing publication-quality scores, playback is secondary. Though you can get a pretty good idea of what your music will sound like played live, by meticulous notation of phrasing, accents, dynamics etc. (Probably by OVER-meticulous notation, compared with what a real musician needs. But that's another discussion...)
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Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause problems in Flexi-time note input?
Posted by Robert Enns - 19 Jun 06:43PM
I often use the same system as Laurence. But I also use the keyboard for pitch and the numeric keyboard for duration (left and right hand). I'm a touch typist on both keyboards
So I don't have to look at my hands if I'm copying from other music.
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Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause problems in Flexi-time note input?
Posted by Ronald Pearl - 19 Jun 07:28PM
Interesting note to add - on the Engraving Forum on FB - someone posed the question as to how folks input music. By far, the preferred method was via computer keyboard - not MIDI (which is what I use, and would have assumed to be the case). I know several people who are dedicated Sib users, and they are extremely fast and nimble with the alphabetic input. To each his own!

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Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause problems in Flexi-time note input?
Posted by Laurence Payne - 19 Jun 08:57PM
In the early publicity for Sibelius, great mention was made of the 'Flexitime' feature. Which, I'm afraid, misled some people who hoped that their free playing would magically be turned into readable notation. You need to know EXACTLY what you want to see on the paper. Flexitime may be a tool that helps achieve this. But not, I suspect, your main one.
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Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause prob... - Naama Eilon, 18 Jun 09:45PM
     Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause ... - Naama Eilon, 18 Jun 09:48PM
         Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause ... - Naama Eilon, 18 Jun 09:49PM
             Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause ... - Laurence Payne, 18 Jun 11:51PM
                 Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause ... - Naama Eilon, 19 Jun 07:07AM
                     Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause ... - Andy G, 19 Jun 09:59AM
                         Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause ... - Laurence Payne, 19 Jun 04:06PM
                             Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause ... - Robert Enns, 19 Jun 06:43PM
                                 Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause ... - Ronald Pearl, 19 Jun 07:28PM
                                     Re: Can a midi keyboard with after-touch cause ... - Laurence Payne, 19 Jun 08:57PM