'Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not working in playback'

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Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not workin... - Lawrence Spector, 20 Apr 10:16PM
     Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not wo... - Lawrence Spector, 20 Apr 11:15PM
         Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not wo... - Laurence Payne, 21 Apr 12:11AM
             Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not wo... - Lawrence Spector, 21 Apr 12:18AM
                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not wo... - Laurence Payne, 21 Apr 12:44AM
                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not wo... - Lawrence Spector, 21 Apr 12:57AM
                         Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not wo... - Mark Isaacs, 21 Apr 02:38AM
                             Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not wo... - Laurence Payne, 21 Apr 11:03AM
                                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not wo... - Mark Isaacs, 21 Apr 11:30AM

Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not working in playback
Posted by Lawrence Spector - 20 Apr 10:16PM
Hello,
Please help me with making the Dal Segno and Coda symbols work in playback mode. See attached file. I thought I was following directions from the manual.
Thank you,
Lawrence
Attachment Danza de cortesia guitar 1_12.sib (108K)
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Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not working in playback
Posted by Lawrence Spector - 20 Apr 11:15PM
Just to clarify, the signs work except the last one which goes to the Coda. Here is a new file attached.
Thank you,
Lawrence
Attachment Danza de cortesia guitar 1_13.sib (108K)
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Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not working in playback
Posted by Laurence Payne - 21 Apr 12:11AM
Your coda jump is working perfectly - to the Coda sign which you have placed immediately after the words 'To Coda'! Move it to the beginning of the actual Coda and all will be well.

I'm slightly surprised that the $ after bar 98 isn't also causing trouble. There should officially be just one 'D.S. al Coda' instruction and one '$' for it to jump to. But you seem to have got away with that one.

We could argue whether a D.S. al Coda is necessary or helpful at all when it only saves writing out 15 bars of music...
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Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not working in playback
Posted by Lawrence Spector - 21 Apr 12:18AM
Thanks again, Laurence. You saved the day! In guitar two it asks for Pizz. which is not sounding. I will post a separate thread for that.
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Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not working in playback
Posted by Laurence Payne - 21 Apr 12:44AM
I'm not at all surprised that a general-purpose sound library such as Sibelius Sounds doesn't know what to do when told to play a guitar 'Pizz.'! If it's stopping the sound altogether, I suggest you turn off playback for the word using the Play on Pass function and settle for a normal guitar sound. Presumably a live guitarist would know what to do?
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Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not working in playback
Posted by Lawrence Spector - 21 Apr 12:57AM
Thank you, Laurence! These files are for the purpose of making audio recordings for a children's guitar school so that the students can hear an audio/ MIDI simulation. They have the scores. The audio/MIDI file is what the teacher wants.
Tasto and ponticello are written in the score but do not sound.
Do you have a solution for this? It would be greatly appreciated. I am not a sophisticated Sibelius user. I looked up Play on Pass but don't know how to implement it to play pizz., ord. tasto, ponticello.
Thanks again for your help.
Attachment Danza de cortesia guitar 2B_17_14.sib (142K)
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Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not working in playback
Posted by Mark Isaacs - 21 Apr 02:38AM (edited 21 Apr 04:17AM)
I've written classical guitar music in Sibelius.

Sibelius 6 comes with quite a nice nylon string sound (complete with fingerboard sliding sounds which you can reduce to taste in the Mixer). It will play harmonics, but will ignore tasto, ponticello, ord. (because there's nothing to "ord.") and pizz (étouffé).

I remember quite a while back I saw a classical guitar sound library that could be purchased rather inexpensively. I think there was a soundset for Sibelius 6, or it was already compatible.

So Google around or maybe someone here knows?

That's what you need if you want more special effects colours and better audio output. You need to purchase a specialist classical guitar sound library that is (or can be made) compatible with Sibelius 6. Sibelius Sounds can't be all things to all people.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not working in playback
Posted by Laurence Payne - 21 Apr 11:03AM
It seems you may have promised this guitar teacher something he can't have, at least not with any standard Sibelius resources.

You could investigate specialist sound libraries, such as this one:

https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Plucked_Instruments/Concert_Guitar#!Sample_Content

But note that there doesn't seem to be a Sound Set that links it with Sibelius - it won't understand the technique instructions written in a Sibelius score. You'll have to write a Sound Set, or manually add control messages or keyswitch notes. Fiddly, but not impossible.

Is this project important enough to you to start explaining what all that gobbledygook means? :-)




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Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not working in playback
Posted by Mark Isaacs - 21 Apr 11:30AM
Here's one http://www.musesamples.com/

In the "User Area" section dedicated to Sibelius users it says:

"Just load the plugin as your play device of choice. Of course the plugin has to be visible for Sibelius in the specific VST folder.

Use the expression tool (Ctr+E) for changing patches: ~C1,value
For example ~C1,0 for the basic patch"

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Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not workin... - Lawrence Spector, 20 Apr 10:16PM
     Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not wo... - Lawrence Spector, 20 Apr 11:15PM
         Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not wo... - Laurence Payne, 21 Apr 12:11AM
             Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not wo... - Lawrence Spector, 21 Apr 12:18AM
                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not wo... - Laurence Payne, 21 Apr 12:44AM
                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not wo... - Lawrence Spector, 21 Apr 12:57AM
                         Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not wo... - Mark Isaacs, 21 Apr 02:38AM
                             Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not wo... - Laurence Payne, 21 Apr 11:03AM
                                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Dal Segno and Coda symbols not wo... - Mark Isaacs, 21 Apr 11:30AM