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Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Paul Clift, 21 Feb 05:10PM
     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Robin Walker, 21 Feb 05:31PM
         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Paul Clift, 21 Feb 05:54PM
             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - James, 21 Feb 06:29PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Robin Walker, 21 Feb 06:46PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Paul Clift, 21 Feb 08:35PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Robin Walker, 21 Feb 08:54PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Paul Clift, 21 Feb 08:55PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Robin Walker, 21 Feb 09:05PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Paul Clift, 21 Feb 09:19PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Robin Walker, 21 Feb 09:20PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Steven Edis, 21 Feb 09:20PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Bob Zawalich, 21 Feb 09:24PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Jody Hughes, 21 Feb 09:36PM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Bob Zawalich, 22 Feb 12:45AM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Paul Clift, 22 Feb 09:14AM

Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy
Posted by Paul Clift - 21 Feb 05:10PM
The topic of this thread pretty much says it all. I am using a single-line stave custom instrument, everything is working fine *except* for the dots on dotted rests, which (see picture) are miles higher than they would normally be. I suspect that there is some setting or other to be changed in the custom instrument setup parameters, but I have been over everything and have not been able to solve the problem. Please help!

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy
Posted by Robin Walker - 21 Feb 05:31PM
There was no attachment. On this forum, attachments must be (a) of size less than 1MB; and (b) of types .png, .sib, or .jpg, with the type extension spelled in lower case. Even then, some .jpg files will not attach, and it is best to stick to .png format for graphics.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy
Posted by Paul Clift - 21 Feb 05:54PM
Ahh, my mistake - here is the image.
Attachment Screen Shot 2017-02-21 at 6.05.42 PM.jpg (465K)

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy
Posted by James - 21 Feb 06:29PM (edited 21 Feb 06:36PM)
That's weird. Are you sure that they are rhythm dots and not a dot symbol? If you can click on it and move it with the up and down arrow keys then it is a symbol and not a true rhythm dot.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy
Posted by Robin Walker - 21 Feb 06:46PM
I cannot reproduce this problem in any simple way. Please attach a Sibelius .sib score file which reproduces the issue, rather than a picture of it.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy
Posted by Paul Clift - 21 Feb 08:35PM
I am attaching the .sib file...... the problem is in page 1 of the second section (so page 31).
Attachment OATW_20170217.sib (193K)

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy
Posted by Robin Walker - 21 Feb 08:54PM
The large offset of the augmentation dot is caused by the setting of "179" for the "Gap between staff lines" parameter of "Staff Type" for that instrument. Setting "Gap between staff lines" to the normal value of 32 puts the dot back at its conventional position.

But I guess you made that setting to get long bar lines...

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy
Posted by Paul Clift - 21 Feb 08:55PM
Yeah, that's why I did it like that... is there any way around it you think?

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy
Posted by Robin Walker - 21 Feb 09:05PM
I can't think of one, apart from leaving the bar-lines short, and overlaying ordinary lines on top of them.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy
Posted by Paul Clift - 21 Feb 09:19PM
Hmm, for a ~300 bar piece, that might be quite annoying! What a strange bug that the dot is affected by line spacing....

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy
Posted by Robin Walker - 21 Feb 09:20PM
I guess that the developers were trying to get the augmentation dot exactly half-way between two staff lines.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy
Posted by Steven Edis - 21 Feb 09:20PM
After reverting the gap between lines to 32, perhaps you could put an additional stave both above and below this one, and change the instrument to "No instrument (barlines shown)" then pull your barlines up and down to meet those staves.

Steve

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 21 Feb 09:24PM
You can use the Add Fake Barline plugin to make longer lines at barline positions by adjusting the Y offsets. See

http://www.sibeliusblog.com/tips/fake-it-til-you-make-it-new-sibelius-plug-in-for-per-staff-barline/

Not perfect but easier than drawing by hand. Hide the existing barlines first which makes alignment easier.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy
Posted by Jody Hughes - 21 Feb 09:36PM
Hi there

Um, there's actually a section in Edit Instrument > Edit Staff Type > General called Barlines which allows you to set barline length, expressed as multiples of the staff line gaps.

So if you revert to normal staff line gaps and set this to around 6.00 above and below, you should have what you need.

Hope that helps
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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 22 Feb 12:45AM
One thing about hanging around this website is that you learn new things all the time. Thanks, Jeremy - I never had a need to extend barlines and never noticed that setting in Edit Staff Type.

I will keep it in mind for future uses.

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Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy
Posted by Paul Clift - 22 Feb 09:14AM
Brilliant! Thanks so much Jeremy!

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Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Paul Clift, 21 Feb 05:10PM
     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Robin Walker, 21 Feb 05:31PM
         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Paul Clift, 21 Feb 05:54PM
             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - James, 21 Feb 06:29PM
                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Robin Walker, 21 Feb 06:46PM
                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Paul Clift, 21 Feb 08:35PM
                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Robin Walker, 21 Feb 08:54PM
                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Paul Clift, 21 Feb 08:55PM
                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Robin Walker, 21 Feb 09:05PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Paul Clift, 21 Feb 09:19PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Robin Walker, 21 Feb 09:20PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Steven Edis, 21 Feb 09:20PM
                                     Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Bob Zawalich, 21 Feb 09:24PM
                                         Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Jody Hughes, 21 Feb 09:36PM
                                             Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Bob Zawalich, 22 Feb 12:45AM
                                                 Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Dots on rests going crazy - Paul Clift, 22 Feb 09:14AM