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Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 ... - JNYE, 23 Jan 08:43AM
     Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - Robin Walker, 23 Jan 10:12AM
         Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 23 Jan 10:42AM
             Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - Robin Walker, 23 Jan 10:59AM
                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 23 Jan 11:01AM
                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - Robin Walker, 23 Jan 11:48AM
                         Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 23 Jan 12:05PM
                             Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 23 Jan 12:28PM
                                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - Robin Walker, 23 Jan 01:31PM
                                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 23 Jan 02:33PM
                                         Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 23 Jan 02:34PM
                                             Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - Robin Walker, 23 Jan 02:48PM
                                                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 23 Jan 05:55PM
                                                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 23 Jan 05:57PM
                                                         Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 23 Jan 05:59PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 23 Jan 08:39PM
                                                                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - Robin Walker, 23 Jan 10:43PM
                                                                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 24 Jan 06:08AM
                                                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - Robin Walker, 23 Jan 10:45PM
                                                         Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 24 Jan 06:32PM
                                                             Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - Robin Walker, 25 Jan 11:08PM
                                                                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 26 Jan 06:52AM
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Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by JNYE - 23 Jan 08:43AM
Hello. I am new to the forum but have been using Sibelius 6 for several years with few problems. It worked fine on Windows XP and I used it to write scores and record pieces using Garritan sound libraries (Personal Orchestra 4 and Jazz and Big Band 3). My hard drive died so I now have a fast Windows 10 64 bit computer with a large RAM.

I have loaded the Sibelius 6 update and the Garritan libraries and Sibelius seems to have found them. However, when I load sounds from the libraries, no sound comes out at all. I wondered whether this was about where the Garritan folders were located on my hard drive (should they be in the 64 bit program folder or the 32 bit folder? - I've tried removing and reloading in various combinations, but nothing works).

I am thinking of buying the Sibelius 8 upgrade option but before I fork out, I want to know whether this will sort out the problem. I don't have much money and I also have mental health difficulties which make these technical difficulties even more difficult to sort out. I'm just a hobbiest composer and, not having a real orchestra at my disposal, I'd like to be able to use all this expensive software again without so many headaches! It was one of my few real pleasures.

If anyone can offer advice or help I will be extremely grateful.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by Robin Walker - 23 Jan 10:12AM
With the Garritan libraries, you must not move them around on disk. You must run the proper Garritan installer (not just copy them from another PC), and then leave them where the installer placed them. You will probably need to update the ARIA Player and ARIA Engine after first installation, as the ARIA versions that shipped with the sample libraries are very old.

Sibelius 6 works fine with Garritan libraries on Windows 10 64-bit.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by JNYE - 23 Jan 10:42AM
Thank you Robin. That's reassuring to know.

I have always installed using the Garritan installer and have updated the Aria engine and player. Unfortuantely, I've done this so many times in an attempt to fix the problem, asking the installer to install the library and Aria components in different folders to see if that would work, that I know longer know where it 'should' go given the opportunity to choose for itself. (The installer now just assumes I want to install it in the last place I tried!)

The Garritan key works to validate/register the libaries and Aria engine/player, and the Sibelius playback settings find the player and the libraries with no apparent problem. Sibelius seems to load the samples, but no sound comes out.

Sibelius 6 installed itself in the 32 bit folder (Program Files (x86)). Should the Aria engine go in the same 32 bit Program File folder? Should Garritan be in the Program Files x86 or in the 64 bit Program Files folder?

Should I be using the 32 bit Aria player or the 64 bit Aria player?

Should I put the [ARIA Player VST_x86.dll] in the Sibelius VST folder, or use the 64 bit one? (Or both?)

I'm getting to the end of my tether a bit. I've been trying to tinker with it for days with no luck.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by Robin Walker - 23 Jan 10:59AM
> Sibelius 6 installed itself in the 32 bit folder (Program Files (x86)).

Correct.

> Should the Aria engine go in the same 32 bit Program File folder?

The ARIA Player contains both 32-bit and 64-bit versions. By default, the ARIA Player installs both versions into:
C:\Program Files\Garritan\ARIA Player\
and there is no need to change this location.

> Should Garritan be in the Program Files x86 or in the 64 bit Program Files folder?

The sample library sound files can go anywhere. By default, they go to:
C:\Program Files\Garritan\(library name)\

> Should I be using the 32 bit Aria player or the 64 bit Aria player?

With Sibelius 6, you can use only the 32-bit VST version of ARIA.

> Should I put the [ARIA Player VST_x86.dll] in the Sibelius VST folder, or use the 64 bit one? (Or both?)

The x86 version of the ARIA VST must go only into:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Sibelius Software\VSTPlugins\

You will have no use for the x64 VST version unless you acquire a 64-bit version of Sibelius.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by JNYE - 23 Jan 11:01AM
Thanks so much Robin. I'll have another go and see what happens. Much appreciate your time. Thank you.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by Robin Walker - 23 Jan 11:48AM
Does Sibelius 6 play back properly using its own Sibelius Essentials 6 sample library?

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by JNYE - 23 Jan 12:05PM
Yes it does.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by JNYE - 23 Jan 12:28PM
I've checked that all the components are in the correct folders, but still no joy getting a single sound out of it. Any further suggestions welcome!

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by Robin Walker - 23 Jan 01:31PM
Please attach screen-shots of the following Sibelius dialogue windows, as they are in the state where you are getting no playback from a Garritan library:
1. Playback Devices;
2. Audio Engine Options.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by JNYE - 23 Jan 02:33PM
Here they are:
Attachment Screenshot (2).png (53K)

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by JNYE - 23 Jan 02:34PM
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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by Robin Walker - 23 Jan 02:48PM
Do not use "ARIA Player (Multi)": only use the plain "ARIA Player".

In "Audio Engine Options", what other options are available for the "Interface" setting?

Are your loudspeakers actually plugged in to output "2", as shown selected?

How many staves are present in the score you are attempting to play?

In "Playback Devices", select one of the ARIA rows in the right-hand column, and click "Test": does it play a scale? Then click "Show": does it open the ARIA VST user interface?

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by JNYE - 23 Jan 05:55PM
If I can't use "ARIA Player (Multi)" for the second Garritan library (it worked fine on my old setup)do I install a second Aria engine/Aria player?

Here is a jpeg of the Audio Engine Options in the Interface setting:
Attachment Screenshot (4).png (281K)

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by JNYE - 23 Jan 05:57PM
The speakers are plugged in. The Sibelius startup sounds come through them, as does a piano piece played through Sibelius Sounds Essential.

All I am attempting at the moment is to load decent piano sounds, so all I've done is load a Sibelius sample piece. It works fine through Sibelius Sounds Essential, but not through Aria/Garritan Steinway. Here's a screen shot with the mixer showing the settings:
Attachment Screenshot (5).png (438K)

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by JNYE - 23 Jan 05:59PM
Testing does not play a scale. Showing does bring up the ARIA/VST interface, but again I can't get any sounds through it even though the Steinway is loaded.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by JNYE - 23 Jan 08:39PM
Also, although the mixer in Sibelius shows that it's found the Aria player and the Steinway sounds, and the volume displays movement when the piece is playing, I've just noticed the Master Volume shows not a flicker of action.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by Robin Walker - 23 Jan 10:43PM
In the Sibelius Mixer, please click the button VI to display the ARIA output fader, and report its setting.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by JNYE - 24 Jan 06:08AM
ARIA output fader is set at -6.0dB.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by Robin Walker - 23 Jan 10:45PM
> If I can't use "ARIA Player (Multi)" for the second Garritan library do I install a second Aria engine/Aria player?

You can "activate" any number of ARIA Players into the right-hand column, and give them different (or same) SoundSets.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by JNYE - 24 Jan 06:32PM
ARIA output fader is set at -6.0dB.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by Robin Walker - 25 Jan 11:08PM
Was the playback signal getting as far as the ARIA output fader?

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by JNYE - 26 Jan 06:52AM
No, the Aria fader show not a flicker either sadly . . .

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by JNYE - 30 Jan 03:51PM
Any more thoughts, other than just uninstalling and starting again?

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 bit Windows 10 PC
Posted by JNYE - 16 Feb 12:28PM
Just to update. I have now re-installed everything and this time it works. I've no idea what I've done differently or why it works this time after so many other attempts, but work it does. Enormous relief. Many thanks for your efforts in helping me get there.J

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Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on 64 ... - JNYE, 23 Jan 08:43AM
     Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - Robin Walker, 23 Jan 10:12AM
         Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 23 Jan 10:42AM
             Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - Robin Walker, 23 Jan 10:59AM
                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 23 Jan 11:01AM
                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - Robin Walker, 23 Jan 11:48AM
                         Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 23 Jan 12:05PM
                             Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 23 Jan 12:28PM
                                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - Robin Walker, 23 Jan 01:31PM
                                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 23 Jan 02:33PM
                                         Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 23 Jan 02:34PM
                                             Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - Robin Walker, 23 Jan 02:48PM
                                                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 23 Jan 05:55PM
                                                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 23 Jan 05:57PM
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                                                             Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 23 Jan 08:39PM
                                                                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - Robin Walker, 23 Jan 10:43PM
                                                                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - JNYE, 24 Jan 06:08AM
                                                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Using Sibelius 6 with Garritan on... - Robin Walker, 23 Jan 10:45PM
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