'New version bug : i can't write "\"'

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New version bug : i can't write "\" - Frederic Lang, 08 Dec 09:38AM
     Re: New version bug : i can't write - Bob Zawalich, 08 Dec 11:24AM
         Re: New version bug : i can't write - Bob Zawalich, 08 Dec 11:43AM
             Re: New version bug : i can't write - Frederic Lang, 08 Dec 12:22PM
                 Re: New version bug : i can't write - Jesper Elén, 08 Dec 02:05PM
                 Re: New version bug : i can't write - Robin Walker, 08 Dec 02:44PM
                     Re: New version bug : i can't write - Frederic Lang, 08 Dec 03:05PM
                         Re: New version bug : i can't write - Bob Zawalich, 08 Dec 05:48PM
                             Re: New version bug : i can't write - Philip R, 08 Dec 06:14PM
                                 Re: New version bug : i can't write - Bob Zawalich, 08 Dec 07:30PM
                                     Re: New version bug : i can't write - Bob Zawalich, 09 Dec 12:45AM
                                         Re: New version bug : i can't write - Adrian Drover, 09 Dec 07:17AM
                                             Re: New version bug : i can't write - Bob Zawalich, 09 Dec 10:07AM
                                                 Re: New version bug : i can't write - Sam at Sibelius, 09 Dec 11:12AM
                                                     Re: New version bug : i can't write - Laurence Payne, 09 Dec 02:17PM
                                                         Re: New version bug : i can't write - Frederic Lang, 09 Dec 05:01PM
     Re: New version bug : i can't write "\" - Robin Walker, 09 Dec 04:56PM
         Re: New version bug : i can't write "\" - Frederic Lang, 09 Dec 05:02PM
             Re: New version bug : i can't write "\" - Robin Walker, 09 Dec 07:00PM
         Re: New version bug : i can't write - Jesper Elén, 09 Dec 05:10PM
             Re: New version bug : i can't write - Frederic Lang, 20 Jan 09:28PM
                 Re: New version bug : i can't write - Ole Visby, 31 Jan 01:49PM
                     Re: New version bug : i can't write - Sibelius QA, 09 Feb 02:53PM
                     Re: New version bug : i can't write - Sibelius QA, 09 Feb 02:55PM

New version bug : i can't write "\"
Posted by Frederic Lang - 08 Dec 09:38AM
Hi

since the last update (8.5.0.552), impossible to write "\", the result ist always "\\". I must now always clear a "\" (in Title, Composer...).

What can I do??

Thanks

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Re: New version bug : i can't write
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 08 Dec 11:24AM (edited 08 Dec 11:38AM)
I don't see this running in Windows 10. Which OS are you using?

Edit: I take it back. I can get \ to fail as well. It seems to me that \\\ will turn into a single \. They seem to be interpreted as wildcards, and if fact it does the same thing as far back as version 6.

I am not seeing \ turn to \\, but I see \\ disappear altogether.

You get different results depending on what follows the \. So \n will convert to a newline.

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Re: New version bug : i can't write
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 08 Dec 11:43AM (edited 08 Dec 11:44AM)
From the reference: these also affect text in the score; the formatting codes disappear once they do their job. Some text seems to work differently in Sib 6 and 7+.

Adding formatting changes to Score Info
Sibelius allows you to add line-breaks and changes of font, character and style at any point within
text in the File > Score Info dialog. Most changes of format are simply sandwiched between backslashes
– e.g. \n\.
* \B\ – bold on
* \I\ – italic on
* \U\ – underline on
* \n\ – new line
* \b\ – bold off
* \i\ – italic off
* \u\ – underline off
* \f\ – change to the text style’s default font
* \ffontname\ – change to given font name (e.g. \fArial\ to switch to Arial)
* \sheight\ – set the font size to height x 1/32nd spaces (e.g. \s64\ to set font height to two spaces)
* ^ – use the Music text font (as set in House Style > Edit All Fonts) for the next character.

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Re: New version bug : i can't write
Posted by Frederic Lang - 08 Dec 12:22PM
Thanks...

I want that all the Page Text automatically, for example :
\$Title\ and the text come from the "Infos". In this new version appears \\$Title\\...

This bug was not present in the previous version...

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Re: New version bug : i can't write
Posted by Jesper Elén - 08 Dec 02:05PM
Yes, happens here as well.

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Re: New version bug : i can't write
Posted by Robin Walker - 08 Dec 02:44PM
> This bug was not present in the previous version...

What version number were you using previously?

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Re: New version bug : i can't write
Posted by Frederic Lang - 08 Dec 03:05PM (edited 09 Dec 04:46PM)
Sibelius 8.0.??? (the previous version, I do no more know the exact number)... i have an abonnement for 1 year and make all the update...

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Re: New version bug : i can't write
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 08 Dec 05:48PM

So if this is confirmed as a general new bug it would mean that \$ wild cards would not work. Can anyone confirm whether this breaks scores that already use wildcards as opposed to being a problem when you edit text that wants to use wildcards?
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Re: New version bug : i can't write
Posted by Philip R - 08 Dec 06:14PM
Whatever the problem is, I'm not understanding or seeing it. I can write \$TITLE\ and \$COMPOSER\ and it works as expected (displays the info from File > Info) in 8.5.

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Re: New version bug : i can't write
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 08 Dec 07:30PM (edited 08 Dec 07:31PM)
I confirm it with 8.5.0 build 502.

What appears to be happening is only in the editing phase. If you have an existing wildcard referring to the backstage area, that text will still appear in the score. Also, if you double click text that is a wildcard and tell it not to go to the backstage you see text with a backslash, as in \$Title\.

However, if you create a new piece of Title text and type \$Title\ it will, at least sometimes, either not treat \$ as being special, and just least it as text, or the \$ will disappear.

This is erratic. On the score I am now testing it on everything has started working while it was not working when I started this message.
Weird. Memory?

I can't stay to test this more, but this should definitely be looked at.

When I had the problem I has some success creating a \ by typing \\\.

ps if testing a wildcard be sure you have a corresponding entry in the backstage of the text might just disappear.

I am using 8.5.0 build 502 under Windows 10.

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Re: New version bug : i can't write
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 09 Dec 12:45AM
Sorry - I rebooted my machine just to make sure things were stable, and low I cannot make anything fail if I type a wildcard that starts with \$.

Typing just plain \ still can do weird things but mostly what I expect from the formatting wildcards.

So I have to take back my claim of reproducing this.

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Re: New version bug : i can't write
Posted by Adrian Drover - 09 Dec 07:17AM
In technique text, typing single backslash produces just that. Typing 2 gives nothing, 3 gives 1, 4 gives 2, 5 gives 1, 6 gives 2, 7 gives 3, 8 gives 2..... Fibonacci? Nope.

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Re: New version bug : i can't write
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 09 Dec 10:07AM
In plugins at least backslashes must be "escaped". To display a \ you need to type "\\". In text, when it work, and it does not always work, \ introduced formatting, so \n\ is a linefeed. The character following a \ is sucked up with it.

Just typing multiple "\" is a bit of empty Technique text, for example, does not tell you a lot. On an edit, 2 \\ seem to just disappear. But as you say, they don't just pair off and disappear as couples, so something else unexpected must be going on.

But I can do that in 7.1.3, so that behavior at least does not seem to be new to 8.5 and I expect it is related to wildcard fornmatting handling, which was really designed for use in Score Info/Backstage text but which often works in text objects in a score.

So it would be interesting to get a generally reproducible case to see if thereis an actual new bug. At the moment I can't do that.

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Re: New version bug : i can't write
Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 09 Dec 11:12AM
I've tried this on both Win 10 and El Cap and don't have a problem. I've asked the QA team to check it out.

If you find there are easy reproducible steps, please let me know and I'll pass them on.

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Re: New version bug : i can't write
Posted by Laurence Payne - 09 Dec 02:17PM (edited 09 Dec 02:18PM)
>I've asked the QA team to check it out.


Are they popping in this week then? :-)

Though, to be fair, I can't reproduce this one either.

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Re: New version bug : i can't write
Posted by Frederic Lang - 09 Dec 05:01PM
By insertion of any text (simple text, technic, page...), I can no longer write a simple "\", and this only in Sibelius... See configuration below...

Procedure :
- create a new score (for example for guitar solo)
- insert text/title and then [shift+alt+\] and it appears \\ => impossible for me to write a simple \ in Sibelius... I must write "\\" and after delete one "\"... I never had this problem before the version 8.5!

Frédo

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Re: New version bug : i can't write "\"
Posted by Robin Walker - 09 Dec 04:56PM
> since the last update (8.5.0.552), impossible to write "\", the result ist always "\\".
> I must now always clear a "\" (in Title, Composer...).

Are you saying that a backslash character is automatically doubled every time you type it?

What Keyboard Layout Language is selected in the Mac OS?

Does the entry method for the backslash character in your keyboard layout involve the use of modifier keys (Shift, Command, Control, or Option)? and, if so, what is the key combination that you use for entry of the backslash character?

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Re: New version bug : i can't write "\"
Posted by Frederic Lang - 09 Dec 05:02PM
> Are you saying that a backslash character is automatically doubled every time you type it?

Yes, exactly! (but only in Sibelius 8.5)

Frédo

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Re: New version bug : i can't write "\"
Posted by Robin Walker - 09 Dec 07:00PM
> > Are you saying that a backslash character is automatically doubled every time you type it?
>
> Yes, exactly! (but only in Sibelius 8.5)

What Keyboard Layout Language is selected in the Mac OS?

What is the key combination that you use for entry of the backslash character?

What version of the Mac OS are you running?

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Re: New version bug : i can't write
Posted by Jesper Elén - 09 Dec 05:10PM
Happens here every time with a Swedish Keyboard. Using alt+shift to get the backslash.
Something funny going on everytime alt/option is involved. Problems in recent Pro Tools also.
Could be a Sierra bug.

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Re: New version bug : i can't write
Posted by Frederic Lang - 20 Jan 09:28PM
I notice that the problem has not been fixed in version 8.5.1. I am still disappointed... Do the AVID developers read this forum? We pay subscriptions for this software!

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Re: New version bug : i can't write
Posted by Ole Visby - 31 Jan 01:49PM
Same problem here (characters involving Cmd + Option shortcuts are doubled). Danish keyboard in OS; in Sib it is "Auto (English)".
Not fixed as of macOS 10.12.3 and Sib 8.5.1.

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Re: New version bug : i can't write
Posted by Sibelius QA - 09 Feb 02:53PM (edited 09 Feb 04:01PM)
I can reproduce it.
The problem is in combination: Shift+Option+ any number from main keyboard (not from Numpad).
On Swedish/Danish keyboard 'Shift+Option+7' should give '\', but it gives '\\'.
On English keyboard the characters created with 'Shift+Option+<1,2,3..>' are also doubled.

I will log the issue in our bug base.
It's new for 8.5 (should be fixed quickly)
Occurs on Mac only, but not Sierra specific.

Thanks Frédo and others!


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Re: New version bug : i can't write
Posted by Sibelius QA - 09 Feb 02:55PM (edited 09 Feb 02:56PM)
> Same problem here (characters involving Cmd + Option shortcuts are doubled). Danish keyboard in OS; in Sib it is "Auto (English)".


What Cmd+Option+ shortcuts are you using?



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New version bug : i can't write "\" - Frederic Lang, 08 Dec 09:38AM
     Re: New version bug : i can't write - Bob Zawalich, 08 Dec 11:24AM
         Re: New version bug : i can't write - Bob Zawalich, 08 Dec 11:43AM
             Re: New version bug : i can't write - Frederic Lang, 08 Dec 12:22PM
                 Re: New version bug : i can't write - Jesper Elén, 08 Dec 02:05PM
                 Re: New version bug : i can't write - Robin Walker, 08 Dec 02:44PM
                     Re: New version bug : i can't write - Frederic Lang, 08 Dec 03:05PM
                         Re: New version bug : i can't write - Bob Zawalich, 08 Dec 05:48PM
                             Re: New version bug : i can't write - Philip R, 08 Dec 06:14PM
                                 Re: New version bug : i can't write - Bob Zawalich, 08 Dec 07:30PM
                                     Re: New version bug : i can't write - Bob Zawalich, 09 Dec 12:45AM
                                         Re: New version bug : i can't write - Adrian Drover, 09 Dec 07:17AM
                                             Re: New version bug : i can't write - Bob Zawalich, 09 Dec 10:07AM
                                                 Re: New version bug : i can't write - Sam at Sibelius, 09 Dec 11:12AM
                                                     Re: New version bug : i can't write - Laurence Payne, 09 Dec 02:17PM
                                                         Re: New version bug : i can't write - Frederic Lang, 09 Dec 05:01PM
     Re: New version bug : i can't write "\" - Robin Walker, 09 Dec 04:56PM
         Re: New version bug : i can't write "\" - Frederic Lang, 09 Dec 05:02PM
             Re: New version bug : i can't write "\" - Robin Walker, 09 Dec 07:00PM
         Re: New version bug : i can't write - Jesper Elén, 09 Dec 05:10PM
             Re: New version bug : i can't write - Frederic Lang, 20 Jan 09:28PM
                 Re: New version bug : i can't write - Ole Visby, 31 Jan 01:49PM
                     Re: New version bug : i can't write - Sibelius QA, 09 Feb 02:53PM
                     Re: New version bug : i can't write - Sibelius QA, 09 Feb 02:55PM