Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Peter Roos - 01 Dec 05:50PM Hide picture Fyi, in case you missed it ... http://www.avidblogs.com/sibelius-8-5-now-available-whats-new/ -- Peter Roos www.summeroflovemusic.com IMDb: www.imdb.com/name/nm2039241 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Philip R - 01 Dec 06:29PM Hide picture Changing the staff size on a per-system basis is really useful. More on my blog: http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/sibelius-8-5-introduces-staff-sizes-on-a-per-system-basis/ -- Sibelius 7.5.1, 8.4.1, Mac 10.12.1 Mac Pro (Late 2013) 32 GB RAM http://www.nycmusicservices.com/ http://www.sibeliusblog.com/ Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by wcreed - 01 Dec 07:19PM Hide picture It's been a busy week for your blog Philip! -- Bill Reed Sibelius 8.2,Finale, Notion 5, Overture 5, Cubase 8 Win10 x64, 32GB RAM, Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 Kontakt, VSL, VE Pro, EWQL Orch, Choir and Pianos August Forster 190 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Philip R - 01 Dec 07:26PM Hide picture Yes, it definitely keeps me from being bored :-) Happy to see these updates in the various programs. -- Sibelius 7.5.1, 8.4.1, Mac 10.12.1 Mac Pro (Late 2013) 32 GB RAM http://www.nycmusicservices.com/ http://www.sibeliusblog.com/ Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Adrian Drover - 01 Dec 07:55PM Hide picture Could someone explain to me why a harpist would want to see double flats and double sharps in their part, and why the pedal diagram bears no relation to the notes that follow it? Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Philip R - 01 Dec 08:10PM Hide picture A fair point, but it's clear that it's a proof-of-concept excerpt intended to display as many features as possible in a short space, not a realistic example of playable music. -- Sibelius 7.5.1, 8.4.1, Mac 10.12.1 Mac Pro (Late 2013) 32 GB RAM http://www.nycmusicservices.com/ http://www.sibeliusblog.com/ Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Feldspar - 09 Dec 01:51AM Hide picture > Could someone explain to me why a harpist would want to see double flats and double sharps in their part, My understanding of the harp is that players double up on some notes enharmonically, playing say, a C# and a Db, on two different strings in order to improve the tone quality, particularly on lower notes. Although I think this can be written into sheet music using two voices on one staff, I suspect some players make these choices individually after analyzing the composition. Books on orchestration that I have read suggest that a composer does not need to worry about specifying these adjustments. Then again, I don't play the harp. > and why the pedal diagram bears no relation to the notes that follow it? Why this, I do not know. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Rob Tuley - 01 Dec 08:09PM Hide picture > Changing the staff size on a per-system basis is really useful. It's really useful only if you really need to do it. On the other hand, there are hundreds of thousands of pages of published music that don't need it, and never will. It would be "really useful" to get some of the bugs in Sibelius 2 fixed eventually, but then flying pigs would also be really useful to somebody. -- Rob Sib 4.1, Windows 10. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Laurence Payne - 01 Dec 08:15PM Hide picture Still... Attachment Capture.PNG.png (14K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Ralph L. Bowers Jr. - 01 Dec 08:50PM Hide picture > but then flying pigs would also be really useful to somebody. > > -- > Rob > > Sib 4.1, Windows 10. :) just gotta make a "Flying Pig" articulation.....that thare might justa come in handy? -- Sibelius 6.2, 7.1.3, 7.5.1, 8.5.0, Bob Zawalich plugins, TMT Publisher Plugins, NotePerformer 1.5.0, dolet 6.6 (update 4-8-2016). PhotoScore 6,7,8 Ultimate (7 is better). Finale 2010b,2011b,2012c, 2014d, 2014.5, Version 25.1 TGTools pro, Patterson plugins, JW Plugins, GPO4, World Instruments. SmartScore X Pro, SmartScore X2 Pro MuseScore 2 (seeing what's out there) ProTools 9.5, Reaper Notion 4, Notion 5 (bought but not installed), Progression, Progression 2, Progression 3 Windows XP Pro (32 bit); 2@ 7 Pro (64 bit); 8.1 Pro (64 bit); Windows 10 Home/ 4-16GB Ram across five PC's Pencil & Paper BMus MM (Musicology) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Philip R - 01 Dec 08:58PM Hide picture > > Changing the staff size on a per-system basis is really useful. > > It's really useful only if you really need to do it. > > On the other hand, there are hundreds of thousands of pages of published music that don't need it, and never will. > > It would be "really useful" to get some of the bugs in Sibelius 2 fixed eventually, but then flying pigs would also be really useful to somebody. Not sure why the attitude here… surely you could say the same thing about any feature. There are hundreds of thousands of pages of published music that don't need alto clef, for instance. But fine, I will amend my statement to "Changing the staff size on a per-system basis is really useful to me, on occasions where I have needed it, and perhaps others will find it useful too." -- Sibelius 7.5.1, 8.4.1, Mac 10.12.1 Mac Pro (Late 2013) 32 GB RAM http://www.nycmusicservices.com/ http://www.sibeliusblog.com/ Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Ralph L. Bowers Jr. - 01 Dec 09:09PM Hide picture This is useful. May not be needed except occasionally, but still I appreciate any progress even a niche item gives us. -- Sibelius 6.2, 7.1.3, 7.5.1, 8.5.0, Bob Zawalich plugins, TMT Publisher Plugins, NotePerformer 1.5.0, dolet 6.6 (update 4-8-2016). PhotoScore 6,7,8 Ultimate (7 is better). Finale 2010b, 2011b, 2012c, 2014d, 2014.5, Version 25.1; TGTools pro, Patterson plugins, JW Plugins, GPO4, GPO5, World Instruments. SmartScore X Pro, SmartScore X2 Pro MuseScore 2 (seeing what's out there) ProTools 9.5, Reaper Notion 4, Notion 5 (Notion 6 bought but not installed), Progression, Progression 2, Progression 3 Windows XP Pro (32 bit); 2@ 7 Pro (64 bit); 8.1 Pro (64 bit); Windows 10 Home/ 4-16GB Ram across five PC's Pencil & Paper BMus MM (Musicology) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Mark Isaacs - 01 Dec 09:41PM (edited 01 Dec 09:47PM) Hide picture Damned if they do, and damned if they don't ("they" being the current Sibelius development team). I've lost count of the number of times variable staff size has been requested on these pages over the years; it has actually been one of the most requested features. And it was never delivered, until now. Well done, team! -- A composer www.markisaacs.com www.facebook.com/markisaacsmusic Sibelius 6.2.0 build 88, Sibelius 5.2.5 build 37, Bob Zawalich plugins, Vista SP1, Intel quad CPU Q9450 2.66Ghz, 3GB RAM, 27'' monitor, M-Audio Audiophile 2496 soundcard, Bose Computer Music Monitor speakers, Sibelius Sounds Essentials, Sibelius Sounds, Garritan Personal Orchestra 3, Garritan Authorised Steinway. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by David - 01 Dec 09:57PM Hide picture Yes, it is well done and very easy to use. Keep up the good work! -- 8.5, Windows 10 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Adrian Drover - 03 Dec 10:00AM (edited 03 Dec 10:08AM) Hide picture Can't say that I'm amazingly impressed. I preferred the colour of the original inspector, and preferred the fact that its window used to size according to contents instead of taking up screen space with blank space. Very disappointed that this (attached) has not been repaired. Hasn't worked as it should since 7.1.3. I was hoping for better for my subscription money. When can we expect a version with long standing bugs repaired? Attachment Unfixed bug.PNG.png (68K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by James - 03 Dec 02:45PM Hide picture The important thing is they got to increment the version number. Oh, wait. That's not the important thing... -- Mac OS 10.9 Mavericks Sibelius 6.2 Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Philip Woodroffe - 04 Dec 06:52PM Hide picture couldn't agree with you more adrian -- macbook pro i7 non retina 2.9ghz 16gb ram 10.9.5 1TB SSD boot drive, 2tb storage drive on mavericks sib 6.2.0 and sib 7.1.3 and 7.5.1 8.4 old macbook thingy! el capitan test computer with sibelius 6 7.1 7,5 (8 demo) and note performer. sibelius choral and garitan personal orchestra. (aria 4). east west symphonic east west symphonic orchestra with johnathan loving sound sets photoscore 7.2. note performer musescore noteworthy melody assistant and virtual singer. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 05 Dec 01:36PM Hide picture Adrian - we're reviewing all feedback about the new Inspector and will hope to include yours in a forthcoming update. As for the rehearsal marks being copied to the previous bar using alt+click, we have that logged (with your name next to it) but it unfortunately didn't make the 8.5 cut. Two bugs we did have your name next to have been fixed in 8.5, so I hope you now enjoy continuing to enter MIDI input after changing from unpitched to pitched instrument, and seeing key signatures when an instrument changes from an unpitched to pitched instrument. If you want to see a summary of what else has been fixed up in this version, see "Further improvements in Sibelius 8.5" on my recent blog post. -- Sam Butler | Product Manager | Sibelius sam.butler@avid.com | @avid_sam | @AvidSibelius Contact the Sibelius support team: www.sibelius.com/documents/contact_form.html KB and other resources: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Adrian Drover - 06 Dec 10:24AM (edited 06 Dec 10:31AM) Hide picture Sam. Just tried making a multi-perc part. This is the result (attached). Drum set has key sig. Vibes has no key sig. Doesn't play back as vibes (some notes sound like tom toms). I'm supposed to enjoy this? Regarding rehearsal mark & double barline. You don't need to bother to mend the select-alt-klik function now. Bob Z has come up with a much better solution. And it took him just a few hours to come up with a working solution. Attachments multiperc.PNG.png (54K), multiperc.sib (32K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Laurence Payne - 06 Dec 12:24PM Hide picture There does seem to be a problem, Adrian, when the change to Drum Set starts a new stave. It's OK when dragged back to the previous line. Not right, I agree. But the change to Vibes seems OK for me. Attachment Capture.PNG.png (97K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Adrian Drover - 06 Dec 01:04PM Hide picture I think I must have overwritten the 2nd instrument change with notes, but not perfect, Laurence, as you say. Looks like, once again, a bug fix has resulted in another new bug. Actually, I was asked if I would like to beta test 8.5 to which I answered affirmative, but I guess they forgot to send me the update. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Sam at Sibelius - 06 Dec 01:23PM Hide picture Thanks for the extra info. We'll check it out. -- Sam Butler | Product Manager | Sibelius sam.butler@avid.com | @avid_sam | @AvidSibelius Contact the Sibelius support team: www.sibelius.com/documents/contact_form.html KB and other resources: www.sibelius.com/support Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Philip R - 06 Dec 03:59PM Hide picture Adrian, this is not a new bug, but rather a symptom of the problem described here, which goes way back to when instrument changes were first introduced (Sibelius 5 I think): http://www.sibeliusblog.com/tutorials/instrument-changes-key-signatures-multirests/ The workaround is to place a special normal barline. The reason there is no key signature on the third system and it isn't playing back as vibes is because there is no instrument change there back to vibes. Maybe you deleted it? That one's not Sibelius's fault. I've attached a file with a workaround where the special normal barlines are applied. Additionally I've hidden the instrument changes at the end of the systems and placed text at the beginning of the new system. I fully agree these things should be more easily dealt with, but at least 8.5 has fixed a couple of those problems. -- Sibelius 7.5.1, 8.5, Mac 10.12.1 Mac Pro (Late 2013) 32 GB RAM http://www.nycmusicservices.com/ http://www.sibeliusblog.com/ Attachment multiperc edited.sib (32K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Adrian Drover - 06 Dec 08:09PM Hide picture I can remember making multi-perc parts before instrument changes were introduced into the program. It was very involved. We had to make transposition change, clef change and midi bank and program change, all as separate tasks, but as far as I can remember, it all worked. Philip, I don't think your special barlines make any difference to drums getting a key sig when the change is at the start of a system. And reset note spacing doesn't stop that key sig crashing into the notes. It's a mess that needs to be sorted. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Philip R - 06 Dec 10:02PM Hide picture When I reset note spacing on my example, the note spacing holds. That's the point of using the special barline in this method. You must place the instrument change at the end of the previous system, hide it, and then re-label it as text at the beginning of the new system. I'm not saying it's intuitive but it works and holds if you follow the steps. Obviously it should all be made simpler, but for now, if you need to do this, this is the most reliable way that I've found. -- Sibelius 7.5.1, 8.5, Mac 10.12.1 Mac Pro (Late 2013) 32 GB RAM http://www.nycmusicservices.com/ http://www.sibeliusblog.com/ Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Mike Lyons - 06 Dec 10:39PM (edited 07 Dec 08:11AM) Hide picture FWIW, if you are going to fix it so that changes of instrument are at the end/start of systems, you may as well keep them as two separate staves, create a part with just those staves on it and use 'hide empty staves'. -- Win 10 Pro, 1.6GHz Intel i7 Quad core, 8GB,7TB 7200rpm HDD, Scarlett 6i6, Sib 6.2,7.5, 8.3 NotePerformer, Miroslav Phil, Harmony Asst, GPO, COMB2, EWQLSO Plat, EWQLSC, Si me castigare vis, necesse est me intellexisse. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Philip R - 07 Dec 12:41AM Hide picture > FWIW, if you are going to fix it so that changes of instrument are at the end/start of systems, you may as well keep them as two separate staves, create a part with jusy those staves on it and use 'hide empty staves'. Just to be clear, it is not necessary to have the instrument change at the start or end of a system. It can be in the middle. -- Sibelius 7.5.1, 8.5, Mac 10.12.1 Mac Pro (Late 2013) 32 GB RAM http://www.nycmusicservices.com/ http://www.sibeliusblog.com/ Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Mike Lyons - 07 Dec 08:16AM Hide picture I appreciate that, Philip, but I gather from Adrian's post that this issue occurs at system start/end and not in the middle. -- Win 10 Pro, 1.6GHz Intel i7 Quad core, 8GB,7TB 7200rpm HDD, Scarlett 6i6, Sib 6.2,7.5, 8.3 NotePerformer, Miroslav Phil, Harmony Asst, GPO, COMB2, EWQLSO Plat, EWQLSC, Si me castigare vis, necesse est me intellexisse. Back to top | All threads

Re: Sibelius 8.5 is here! Posted by Adrian Drover - 07 Dec 08:17AM (edited 07 Dec 08:20AM) Hide picture But if page formatting looks better with the instrument change at the start of a new system, it should still work properly. You may need to make a page turn at the instrument change too. Back to top | All threads