'The history and relationship of Kontakt with Sibelius'

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The history and relationship of Kontakt with Si... - Jonathan404, 21 Sep 05:49PM
     Re: The history and relationship of Kontakt wit... - Patrick O'Keefe, 21 Sep 07:18PM
         Re: The history and relationship of Kontakt wit... - Jeff Hale, 21 Sep 08:56PM
             Re: The history and relationship of Kontakt wit... - Robin Walker, 21 Sep 10:35PM

The history and relationship of Kontakt with Sibelius
Posted by Jonathan404 - 21 Sep 05:49PM
I am struggling to understand the relationship of Kontakt with Sibelius. If I set out here what I've been able to piece together perhaps someone would be good enough to correct what is wrong and fill me in with some of my questions.

As I understand it:-

In Sibelius 4 sample players Kontakt Silver and gold were introduced (I think you had to pay extra for gold although I'm not sure what extra it gave you). At this time I bought a CD of Garritan Personal Orchestra (GPO) sibelius Edition and used it with Sibelius 4.

When I upgraded to Sibelius 5 I never bothered to install GPO as I seem to remember the basic sounds were better than the previous basic sounds. Reading the manual of Sib. 5 I see that now it no longer talks of gold and silver but Kontakt 2 which I can see from the playback devices screen.

I then upgraded to Sibelius 6. There is no reference to Kontakt in the index of the Sibelius 6 manual and only passing mention to it as examples of sample players. When I go to playback devices I can't see Kontakt. Was Kontakt dropped from the Sibelius product here?

I never bothered with Sib. 7 or 7.5 and have now gone straight to Sib. 8.1. Again I can't see Kontakt in the playback devices.

Kontakt is a sample player produced my The German Company Native Instruments. So am I write in thinking Sibelius only had some kind of agreement with Native to ship it with Sibelius?

I have recently read in the Sib. 8 manual I need to load GPO 4 to use Kontakt. Does this mean my original CD of GPO is now useless? Can I upgrade these?

Can someone explain what it is I need to do to install Kontakt on Sib. 8 and why I havn't inherited from my previous versions after all I had it in Sib. 4 and Sib. 5. Surely with upgrades you don't expect to loose functionality.

Thanks for anyone who has the patience to read and respond to this.
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Re: The history and relationship of Kontakt with Sibelius
Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 21 Sep 07:18PM
I can't address much that, but GPO4 doesn't use Kontakt. It has it's own player - Aria (based on the Plogue engine). As far as I know, all recent Garritan libraries use the Aria player. It comes with the Garritan products.

The Sibelius sound libraries that come with Sib7 and Sib8 have their own player (also based on the Plogue engine).

You don't need the Kontakt player unless you have a library that uses it, and want to use that library with Sibelius.

If your old GPO included a copy of the Kontakt player, and you want to use that old GPO, I assume Sibelius 6 & 7 would use it. I'm not sure about Sib8 because that old Kontakt player is probably a 32 bit version.

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Re: The history and relationship of Kontakt with Sibelius
Posted by Jeff Hale - 21 Sep 08:56PM
Each of the playback systems/sound libraries provided with the various versions of Sibelius were only licensed to be used with that version. Neither Sibelius nor the end users actually owned them.

A lot of people kept Sibelius 6 as one of their activations because they liked the sounds better than the Avid sound library that came with version 7. With the soundsets required since v. 7, using the older sounds would be difficult or impossible anyway.

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Re: The history and relationship of Kontakt with Sibelius
Posted by Robin Walker - 21 Sep 10:35PM
Kontakt and Sibelius are un-related products from different manufacturers.

Kontakt Player can function as a VST player device; Sibelius can function as a VST host.

Sibelius versions 4 had a built-in Kontakt-like player. Sibelius 5 implemented the VST host feature, and shipped with an early version of Kontakt Player 2 as a VST player device. Certain sample libraries of the Sibelius 4/5 era marketed by Sibelius Software were libraries playable by Kontakt Player.

From Version 6 onwards, Sibelius has shipped with its own built-in player device (Sibelius Player), and sample libraries playable by Sibelius Player.

The old Kontakt Player 2 that worked with Sibelius 4/5 was a 32-bit product, which will not work with 64-bit Sibelius 8, even if Kontakt Player 2 is still installed on the PC.

You do not need Kontakt Player now-a-days unless you have a specific sample library in Kontakt format that you wish Sibelius to play. In that case, you can download the free version of Kontakt Player 5.x install it, and link it to Sibelius as a VST player.

GPO 3 was a Kontakt-format sample library. GPO 4 onwards was an ARIA-Player format sample library. If you want to resurrect GPO 3, you might be able to get Kontakt Player 5.x to play it in Sibelius 8.x.

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The history and relationship of Kontakt with Si... - Jonathan404, 21 Sep 05:49PM
     Re: The history and relationship of Kontakt wit... - Patrick O'Keefe, 21 Sep 07:18PM
         Re: The history and relationship of Kontakt wit... - Jeff Hale, 21 Sep 08:56PM
             Re: The history and relationship of Kontakt wit... - Robin Walker, 21 Sep 10:35PM