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sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text rando... - André van Haren, 23 Jul 09:01AM
     Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - Laurence Payne, 23 Jul 09:11AM
         Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - André van Haren, 23 Jul 09:16AM
             Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - Adrian Drover, 23 Jul 09:38AM
     Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - Robin Walker, 23 Jul 09:48AM
         Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - André van Haren, 23 Jul 09:50AM
             Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - Adrian Drover, 23 Jul 10:07AM
                 Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - André van Haren, 23 Jul 05:57PM
                     Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - Mike Lyons, 23 Jul 07:23PM
                         Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - Richard Schletty, 24 Jul 05:24AM
                             Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - André van Haren, 24 Jul 05:28AM
                                 Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - Richard Schletty, 24 Jul 05:41AM
                                     Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - André van Haren, 24 Jul 05:53AM
                                         Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - André van Haren, 24 Jul 06:34AM
                                             Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - Robin Walker, 24 Jul 01:08PM
                                                 Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - André van Haren, 24 Jul 01:12PM
                                                     Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - Bob Zawalich, 24 Jul 04:02PM
                                                         Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - André van Haren, 24 Jul 04:05PM

sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text randomly invisible
Posted by André van Haren - 23 Jul 09:01AM
This is driving me crazy, an I know the reaction I get will be "Attach the score" and "we could not find anything wrong in the attached score", ...

Version 8 only gives me more headaches than anything else. Now, randomly, expression text and metronome text is becoming invisible. Clicking (ONLY clicking it), make it visible and invisible again. When its visible, the exported PDF will still not show those text styles. I lost so much time just fixing things since started with 8 and up. And because I am working with large orchestral scores, I am afraid that saving as a previous version (going back to version 7.5), only will give me more stuff to fix. Any suggestions that could really help me?



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Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text randomly invisible
Posted by Laurence Payne - 23 Jul 09:11AM
Attach it anyway.

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Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text randomly invisible
Posted by André van Haren - 23 Jul 09:16AM

Here it is...

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Attachment I - Prologue & Rushing - Horn 3 4 in F - 2016-07-23 0933.sib (147K)

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Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text randomly invisible
Posted by Adrian Drover - 23 Jul 09:38AM
Expression & Tempo look fine to me. Metronome & Technique look weak to me. I would prefer something a bit heavier than Palatino Regular.

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Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text randomly invisible
Posted by Robin Walker - 23 Jul 09:48AM
> randomly, expression text and metronome text is becoming invisible.
> Clicking (ONLY clicking it), make it visible and invisible again.

Shut down the Mac OS, and restart afresh.

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Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text randomly invisible
Posted by André van Haren - 23 Jul 09:50AM
I tried this, also reinstalled Sibelius and run Onyx to clean up and repair permissions. No luck in fixing it though.

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Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text randomly invisible
Posted by Adrian Drover - 23 Jul 10:07AM
O.T. Did you mean to write "1st" in measure 35 on the 3rd/4th horn part? Just wondering as it doesn't appear to be a cue.

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Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text randomly invisible
Posted by André van Haren - 23 Jul 05:57PM
> O.T. Did you mean to write "1st" in measure 35 on the 3rd/4th horn part? Just wondering as it doesn't appear to be a cue.

Well, what I mean here is that it should be played by the 1st horn in this part what of course is the 3rd horn, thanks for noticing this mistake.


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Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text randomly invisible
Posted by Mike Lyons - 23 Jul 07:23PM
Have you got Hidden Objects ticked under the view tab? Some text items (MM) are hidden (using [ctrl][shift]h) it's probably better to use the tilde (~).

"A tempo" no longer needs a metronome mark to put the tempo back. You could also make "Calmer =63" a single piece of text also eliminating the need for a hidden piece of MM text.



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Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text randomly invisible
Posted by Richard Schletty - 24 Jul 05:24AM
I am guessing it's a corrupt Opus Text Std font or Palatino font. André's Sibelius 8.4.1 file behaves well on my Mac. I exported a PDF and nothing was missing.

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Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text randomly invisible
Posted by André van Haren - 24 Jul 05:28AM
Here's a short video I made, the problem is still there in my scores:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBnUz-kjqtY

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Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text randomly invisible
Posted by Richard Schletty - 24 Jul 05:41AM
> Here's a short video I made, the problem is still there in my scores:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBnUz-kjqtY

I watched your video. That does not happen to me, André, with the problem SIB file you sent. I am also running 8.4.1.

I really think it's a corrupt font, or a corrupt font cache that was not purged with Onyx.

I sent to you my good fonts fonts: Palatino.ttc and OpusTextStd.otf. I hope replacing these fonts on your Mac will solve the issue.

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Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text randomly invisible
Posted by André van Haren - 24 Jul 05:53AM
> > Here's a short video I made, the problem is still there in my scores:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBnUz-kjqtY
>
> I watched your video. That does not happen to me, André, with the problem SIB file you sent. I am also running 8.4.1.
>
> I really think it's a corrupt font, or a corrupt font cache that was not purged with Onyx.
>
> I sent to you my good fonts fonts: Palatino.ttc and OpusTextStd.otf. I hope replacing these fonts on your Mac will solve the issue.

Thanks, I will give that a try.

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Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text randomly invisible
Posted by André van Haren - 24 Jul 06:34AM

I exported the score as 7.5 and opened in Sibelius 7.5, no problem what so ever, so it seems it's Sibelius 8.x related.


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Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text randomly invisible
Posted by Robin Walker - 24 Jul 01:08PM
I cannot reproduce this effect with the score posted above on a Mac with El Capitan and Sibelius 8.4.1. Mind you, the score posted above is only an Extracted Part, not the Full Score. And it's not the same Extracted Part as the one the video was made from.

Maybe there are some settings on your Mac or in your Sibelius, which are not available to us, which might be triggering the issue.

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Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text randomly invisible
Posted by André van Haren - 24 Jul 01:12PM
> I cannot reproduce this effect with the score posted above on a Mac with El Capitan and Sibelius 8.4.1. Mind you, the score posted above is only an Extracted Part, not the Full Score. And it's not the same Extracted Part as the one the video was made from.
>
> Maybe there are some settings on your Mac or in your Sibelius, which are not available to us, which might be triggering the issue.
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Yes, but it doesn't matter which score I tried in 8.4.1, even though it's not the same as in the video. All the files act like this on my Mac. It must be something on my Mac, I am sure. At the moment I went back to 6.2, because 7.5 is too slow, it takes about 2 minutes to open file (the Mac freezes) and I need to edit a lot of parts, that would take too much time.



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Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text randomly invisible
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 24 Jul 04:02PM
There is a known bug in 8.4 where text with an embedded tilde (~) is not hidden on printing, though it looks fine on screen. I discuss it here.

http://www.sibelius.com/cgi-bin/helpcenter/chat/chat.pl?com=thread&start=700581&groupid=3&words=tilde&name=Bob%20Zawalich

It took a lot of looking to figure out what the cause actually was and whether it appeared only on one machine. It may be unrelated to what you are seeing but it is hard to say. In out experience it only started appearing in 8.4. 8.3 was ok.

So if you have access to an earlier version of Sib 8 it might be interesting to see if the same things happen for you in that version.
Did it happen in 7.5 on the same machine?



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Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text randomly invisible
Posted by André van Haren - 24 Jul 04:05PM
> There is a known bug in 8.4 where text with an embedded tilde (~) is not hidden on printing, though it looks fine on screen. I discuss it here.
>
> http://www.sibelius.com/cgi-bin/helpcenter/chat/chat.pl?com=thread&start=700581&groupid=3&words=tilde&name=Bob%20Zawalich
>
> It took a lot of looking to figure out what the cause actually was and whether it appeared only on one machine. It may be unrelated to what you are seeing but it is hard to say. In out experience it only started appearing in 8.4. 8.3 was ok.
>
> So if you have access to an earlier version of Sib 8 it might be interesting to see if the same things happen for you in that version.
> Did it happen in 7.5 on the same machine?
>
>
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I never use a tilde to hide elements, so I am not sure if this is related to the problem I have. It doesn't happen in 7.5 on the same machine, no, so it must be 8.x related.



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sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text rando... - André van Haren, 23 Jul 09:01AM
     Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - Laurence Payne, 23 Jul 09:11AM
         Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - André van Haren, 23 Jul 09:16AM
             Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - Adrian Drover, 23 Jul 09:38AM
     Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - Robin Walker, 23 Jul 09:48AM
         Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - André van Haren, 23 Jul 09:50AM
             Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - Adrian Drover, 23 Jul 10:07AM
                 Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - André van Haren, 23 Jul 05:57PM
                     Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - Mike Lyons, 23 Jul 07:23PM
                         Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - Richard Schletty, 24 Jul 05:24AM
                             Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - André van Haren, 24 Jul 05:28AM
                                 Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - Richard Schletty, 24 Jul 05:41AM
                                     Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - André van Haren, 24 Jul 05:53AM
                                         Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - André van Haren, 24 Jul 06:34AM
                                             Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - Robin Walker, 24 Jul 01:08PM
                                                 Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - André van Haren, 24 Jul 01:12PM
                                                     Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - Bob Zawalich, 24 Jul 04:02PM
                                                         Re: sib 8.4.1 - Metronome and expression text r... - André van Haren, 24 Jul 04:05PM