Can't change trill interval Posted by Robert Enns - 15 Jul 03:01AM Hide picture I've never encountered this before but currently when I select a trill I can't change the number of half steps in the inspector. Some show 2 and some are 1 for no apparent musical reason but none can be changed. For instance Key of D and a trill on A# which should trill one half step is showing a stubborn 2. This is happening in 8.4. -- Rob Win 10 64 bit, 3.1 GHz, 8 Gigs RAM Sibelius 7.5, and Sibelius 8.4 Sibelius Sounds 7.1.2, NotePerformer, GPO4, GPO5 Photoscore 8.0.4 Back to top | All threads

Re: Can't change trill interval Posted by Robin Walker - 15 Jul 05:35AM Hide picture Please attach a Sibelius .sib score file which exhibits this issue, and direct us to the location of the problem inside it. -- Sibelius 8.4/7.5.1/7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 8.0.4, Dolet 6.6 for Sibelius, Windows 10 64-bit 16GB. Desktop no-name, Microsoft Surface Book. Back to top | All threads

Re: Can't change trill interval Posted by Wim Hoogewerf - 15 Jul 07:35AM Hide picture The Inspector has 3 options for the interval: Auto, Diatonic and Fixed. Would 'Diatonic' solve the problem? -- MacOS 10.9.5 Sibelius 8.4.1 Back to top | All threads

Re: Can't change trill interval Posted by Adrian Drover - 15 Jul 08:37AM Hide picture Yes, just tried this in 8.3. I'm getting the same. There is no diatonic option setting and default half steps cannot be edited. Is this yet another new bug for Sib.8? Back to top | All threads

Re: Can't change trill interval Posted by Wim Hoogewerf - 15 Jul 08:57AM Hide picture It doesn't do this in 8.4.1, so upgrade is probably the solution. -- MacOS 10.9.5 Sibelius 8.4.1 Back to top | All threads

Re: Can't change trill interval Posted by Robin Walker - 15 Jul 09:26AM Hide picture > when I select a trill I can't change the number of half steps in the inspector. > Some show 2 and some are 1 for no apparent musical reason but none can be changed. You cannot change the trill steps while "Interval" is set to "Auto" or "Diatonic". You need to select "Interval" = "Fixed" before you can adjust the steps manually. -- Sibelius 8.4/7.5.1/7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 8.0.4, Dolet 6.6 for Sibelius, Windows 10 64-bit 16GB. Desktop no-name, Microsoft Surface Book. Back to top | All threads

Re: Can't change trill interval Posted by Roy Moore - 15 Jul 09:49AM Hide picture Working as published for me in 8.3 As stated above, you cannot change this value when set to 'Diatonic' or 'Auto' Only available when 'Interval' is set to 'Fixed' -- Roy Moore London UK (2016) Sib 7.5,8.4.1 -Win 10 pro x64 8gb ram,512gb SSD Laptop Win 10 pro x64-32gb ram 512 ssd 750 hd Various East West, Hollywood Strings, Note Performer Attachment 0256 trill.PNG.png (65K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Can't change trill interval Posted by Adrian Drover - 15 Jul 10:23AM (edited 15 Jul 10:34AM) Hide picture Thanx, Roy. How come I never had a problem with this in 7.1.3? Why the confusing change in 8? All I needed to do previously was to un-check "Diatonic" in order to set my required interval. And what idiotic rule does "Auto" follow, and why is that the new factory default? In Robert's score, an auto trill on A# in the key of D was forcing 2 semitones. I have tried exactly the same situation (same key, same note) in 2 new scores, getting zero semitones in one, and 1 semitone in the other. Seems like "auto" just produces a random number. Back to top | All threads

Re: Can't change trill interval Posted by Robin Walker - 15 Jul 10:56AM Hide picture > Why the confusing change in 8? There was no change in Sibelius 8: Sibelius 8 is the same as Sibelius 7.5 was. Sibelius 7.5 made lots of changes for trills and other ornaments. -- Sibelius 8.4/7.5.1/7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 8.0.4, Dolet 6.6 for Sibelius, Windows 10 64-bit 16GB. Desktop no-name, Microsoft Surface Book. Back to top | All threads

Re: Can't change trill interval Posted by Wim Hoogewerf - 15 Jul 10:28AM Hide picture Same for me in 8.4.1 So to reconstruct Robert Enns' problem first do Fixed > 2 halfsteps, then set to Auto or Diatonic and notice the '2' can't be changed. I presume the same happens when you update a score in which the trill was set already. -- MacOS 10.9.5 Sibelius 8.4.1 Back to top | All threads

Re: Can't change trill interval Posted by Robert Enns - 15 Jul 11:55AM (edited 15 Jul 12:01PM) Hide picture Attachment 8.,4.,1 trill Inspector.JPG.jpg (22K) Back to top | All threads

Re: Can't change trill interval Posted by Robert Enns - 15 Jul 12:03PM Hide picture I am running 8.4.1 If I change to fixed (I didn't notice it was on Auto) then I can change. I don't remember ever having to have it on "fixed" before I could change the interval. Am I imagining this as a change? -- Rob Win 10 64 bit, 3.1 GHz, 8 Gigs RAM Sibelius 7.5, and Sibelius 8.4 Sibelius Sounds 7.1.2, NotePerformer, GPO4, GPO5 Photoscore 8.0.4 Back to top | All threads

Re: Can't change trill interval Posted by Robin Walker - 15 Jul 12:08PM Hide picture > Am I imagining this as a change? Nothing has changed here since 7.5. -- Sibelius 8.4/7.5.1/7.1.3/6.2/5.2.5, PhotoScore Ult 8.0.4, Dolet 6.6 for Sibelius, Windows 10 64-bit 16GB. Desktop no-name, Microsoft Surface Book. Back to top | All threads

Re: Can't change trill interval Posted by Robert Enns - 15 Jul 12:43PM Hide picture I really am losing it then. -- Rob Win 10 64 bit, 3.1 GHz, 8 Gigs RAM Sibelius 7.5, and Sibelius 8.4 Sibelius Sounds 7.1.2, NotePerformer, GPO4, GPO5 Photoscore 8.0.4 Back to top | All threads

Re: Can't change trill interval Posted by Adrian Drover - 15 Jul 01:40PM Hide picture You're not the only one, Robert. I never used 7.5, so I missed that change. I don't see what use Auto is when it gives three different results (so far) in the same situation. Why does it default to Auto? Back to top | All threads

Re: Can't change trill interval Posted by Adrian Drover - 17 Jul 05:52AM Hide picture I really would like to know why trills default to Auto in Sib8 and what rule Auto actually follows. And why the interval is fixed in Auto or Diatonic mode and not fixed in Fixed mode. None of this makes any sense to me. If anyone understands any of this, can they please explain it to me. Back to top | All threads

Re: Can't change trill interval Posted by Mike Lyons - 17 Jul 07:06AM Hide picture As I understand it, Diatonic should trill according to the key, so if, say, your music was in D and trilling on a c# it should trill to the D, but if you had it on a D it would trill to an E. I do not know the rules for Auto - I never use it. Fixed allows you the user to fix the interval to however many semitones you want. -- Win 10 Pro, 1.6GHz Intel i7 Quad core, 8GB,7TB 7200rpm HDD, Scarlett 6i6, Sib 6.2,7.5, 8.3 NotePerformer, Miroslav Phil, Harmony Asst, GPO, COMB2, EWQLSO Plat, EWQLSC, Si me castigare vis, necesse est me intellexisse. Back to top | All threads

Re: Can't change trill interval Posted by Adrian Drover - 17 Jul 08:01AM Hide picture So why does a trill default to "Auto" if nobody knows what it is supposed to do? And the fact that a trill is not<\b> fixed when "Fixed" is selected is very confusing. Wouldn't "Edit" be a more intelligent label? And what was wrong with the old system when you only needed to choose between Diatonic or Editable? I'm still eager to discover what "Auto" is supposed to do and why it is the default. Do the Avid developers know? Back to top | All threads

Re: Can't change trill interval Posted by Roy Moore - 17 Jul 11:14AM (edited 17 Jul 12:54PM) Hide picture If you select 'Fixed' then change the value from 1 to 2. Then go to Auto, the new value sticks. It allows any value up to 62, after which it goes negative! Like Adrian, I can't see a use for it as it only changes the selected trill and you can't change 'Auto' to a new default. -- Roy Moore London UK (2016) Sib 7.5,8.4.1 -Win 10 pro x64 8gb ram,512gb SSD Laptop Win 10 pro x64-32gb ram 512 ssd 750 hd Various East West, Hollywood Strings, Note Performer Back to top | All threads

Re: Can't change trill interval Posted by Robert Enns - 19 Jul 08:59PM Hide picture You can do select all and change all of them to fixed and then do individuals. -- Rob Win 10 64 bit, 3.1 GHz, 8 Gigs RAM Sibelius 7.5, and Sibelius 8.4 Sibelius Sounds 7.1.2, NotePerformer, GPO4, GPO5 Photoscore 8.0.4 Back to top | All threads