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Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. accel. ... - Carmelo Galea, 18 Jun 06:58AM
     Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Adrian Drover, 18 Jun 10:37AM
         Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Mike Lyons, 18 Jun 10:15PM
             Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Carmelo Galea, 21 Jun 09:55AM
                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Mike Lyons, 21 Jun 04:35PM
                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Adrian Drover, 21 Jun 04:52PM
                         Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Mike Lyons, 21 Jun 09:21PM
                             Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Adrian Drover, 22 Jun 07:24AM
                                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Mike Lyons, 22 Jun 10:25AM
                                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Laurence Payne, 22 Jun 01:51PM
                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Carmelo Galea, 23 Jun 05:46AM
                         Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Mike Lyons, 23 Jun 08:35AM
                             Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Carmelo Galea, 01 Jul 10:34AM

Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. accel. etc) on parts extraction
Posted by Carmelo Galea - 18 Jun 06:58AM
These speed modifications are shown on top of stave in the score, as a system line. Can I show them underneath the stave, as they are normally on printed parts, in the individual parts ? Thanks

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. accel. etc) on parts extraction
Posted by Adrian Drover - 18 Jun 10:37AM
I'm not certain about the theoretical ruling, Carmelo, but I would assume that rall & accel come under the same category as tempo & style.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. accel. etc) on parts extraction
Posted by Mike Lyons - 18 Jun 10:15PM (edited 19 Jun 06:12AM)
Rall and accel in sib are LINEs, not tempo text.

If you aren't bothered about playback you could just enter them in an appropriate text style.

In 50 years of playing I have NEVER come across rall/rit/accel below the staff in any parts!
[EDIT] Actually, the above is not quite true. I have occasionally seen it on very tightly spaced music on march cards. But it is rare and most modern players will get confused! We expect to see tempo markings and tempo changes ABOVE the staff. Dynamics and some other directions BELOW (except for singers, who are an awkward bunch because they have lyrics to contend with!)

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. accel. etc) on parts extraction
Posted by Carmelo Galea - 21 Jun 09:55AM (edited 21 Jun 09:57AM)
I have been playing for several years as well, and temporary modifications of speed (rall, rit, accel, a tempo, etc) are many times shown below the stave in individual parts, infact probably more so than not. Thanks.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. accel. etc) on parts extraction
Posted by Mike Lyons - 21 Jun 04:35PM
What kind of music are you performing, Carmelo?

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. accel. etc) on parts extraction
Posted by Adrian Drover - 21 Jun 04:52PM
I think I've sometimes seen "rall e dim" in the same text string below the staff.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. accel. etc) on parts extraction
Posted by Mike Lyons - 21 Jun 09:21PM
Yes, but it is relatively rare.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. accel. etc) on parts extraction
Posted by Adrian Drover - 22 Jun 07:24AM (edited 22 Jun 07:29AM)
Seems logical, Mike, in that the two (rall e dim) often go together, and easier if you don't have to read each bit at different eye levels. Not sure tho' how sib would cope with this.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. accel. etc) on parts extraction
Posted by Mike Lyons - 22 Jun 10:25AM
I think you can only give a single text or line one instruction, so it would probably have to be fudged somehow.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. accel. etc) on parts extraction
Posted by Laurence Payne - 22 Jun 01:51PM
> I think you can only give a single text or line one instruction, so it would probably have to be fudged somehow.
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Rall... has to be a Line anyway, as it covers a range of bars.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. accel. etc) on parts extraction
Posted by Carmelo Galea - 23 Jun 05:46AM
Concert Band music.

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. accel. etc) on parts extraction
Posted by Mike Lyons - 23 Jun 08:35AM (edited 24 Jun 01:11PM)
Hi Carmelo,

You can create a line to do what you want:
Stage 1:
Set up a new text style:

Create a new text style based on Plain System Text. I called mine Italic System Text (Not very creative, I know, but it'll do)
Next, change its vertical position. Not strictly necessary, but it means you can also then use it as a text object. If you don't like my vertical position settings, you can set your own.

Stage 2:
Create a new line based on Rit or Rall.
Make the changes shown in the pictures or choose your own settings.
You will then see rall. e dim listed at the bottom of the system lines pane. It will also now show up in the lines library on the ribbon.

One final step. Make the settings in the final image (or whatever you prefer) to make the line sit under the staff.

Enjoy!

[EDIT] Something went wrong with the images. Sorry. Freshly uploaded.

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Attachments ralledim line.png (114K), on the menu.png (68K), design and position.png (162K), newline type.png (115K), ralledim.png (198K), New text style.png (46K), new text style 2.png (35K), New text style 3.png (34K)

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Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. accel. etc) on parts extraction
Posted by Carmelo Galea - 01 Jul 10:34AM
Sorry for late response. I am not getting any email copies although I click box where it says whether I want to receive copies. I have actually started a new thread about this problem as well.
I will have to check what you wrote, but thanks for now.

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Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. accel. ... - Carmelo Galea, 18 Jun 06:58AM
     Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Adrian Drover, 18 Jun 10:37AM
         Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Mike Lyons, 18 Jun 10:15PM
             Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Carmelo Galea, 21 Jun 09:55AM
                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Mike Lyons, 21 Jun 04:35PM
                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Adrian Drover, 21 Jun 04:52PM
                         Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Mike Lyons, 21 Jun 09:21PM
                             Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Adrian Drover, 22 Jun 07:24AM
                                 Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Mike Lyons, 22 Jun 10:25AM
                                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Laurence Payne, 22 Jun 01:51PM
                     Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Carmelo Galea, 23 Jun 05:46AM
                         Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Mike Lyons, 23 Jun 08:35AM
                             Re: Sib. 6.x: Modification of Speeds (rall. acc... - Carmelo Galea, 01 Jul 10:34AM