I am revisiting all my compositions and applying my publisher's house style for publication, however I am stuck now with a problem I don't know how to solve. After opening a piano piece that I engraved in Sibelius 6 many years ago (and did look normal), the start of the piece looks like this: (screenshot).
What happened here and how can I fix this? It looks like the piano part is not a normal grand staff but 2 separate staves instead, and the first bar is too far from the left edge even though the Gap before Bar in the inspector AND the staff margins in the Document Setup are all set to 0.
I didn't make any instrument changes, this is how I opened the file, but of-course it's a piano score. I could create a new piano instrument and simply copy paste everything, but there must be an easier way to quickly fix this. Here is the sib file, would be nice to know what's going on.
You'd got an extra, hidden bar at the beginning. This was achieved by starting off with the staves assigned to "Piano No lines (hidden) staff" then an Instrument Change to Piano. I wonder if you'd got some idea about putting the introductory gracenotes BEFORE the barline? Or maybe you wanted the first line indented? (just drag the initial barline to the right a bit).
Thanks so much, Laurence. i already planned to copy paste into a new score, but this was a much faster way. And I had those grace-notes before the barline in an earlier version, but that didn't work for me, I really want them to start on the beat.
I found out that the whole first bar situation happened because I deleted the title page, here is a screenshot that shows hidden staves on the title page, I have no idea why I ever did it like this. I can't imagine that this is correct.
> I found out that the whole first bar situation happened because I deleted the title page, here is a screenshot that shows hidden staves on the title page, I have no idea why I ever did it like this. I can't imagine that this is correct.
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Oh, right. Yes, Sibelius used to arrange blank pages by retaining the staves but setting them to a hidden stave type. Might that score have started life in a version even earlier than Sibelius 6?
Yes, I believe I engraved it in version 4. Wow, those were the days...
> > I found out that the whole first bar situation happened because I deleted the title page, here is a screenshot that shows hidden staves on the title page, I have no idea why I ever did it like this. I can't imagine that this is correct.
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> Oh, right. Yes, Sibelius used to arrange blank pages by retaining the staves but setting them to a hidden stave type. Might that score have started life in a version even earlier than Sibelius 6?
Laurence, how exactly did you fix this invisible instrument problem in the score? I found a newer version of this sonata that I rather use, but also here i cannot find a way to remove the title page without messing up the staves.
I removed the Instrument Changes to Piano. The entire score then reverted to the "no lines" instrument. I clicked in an Instrument Change to Piano just before the beginning of the first (albeit invisible) stave.
> I removed the Instrument Changes to Piano. The entire score then reverted to the "no lines" instrument. I clicked in an Instrument Change to Piano just before the beginning of the first (albeit invisible) stave.
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> Attach the sib file if you're stuck.
That's what I tried as well, it still became a 2 separate staves piano though and not a grand staff. I fixed it another way now, I did a system passage copy/paste into a new score, the result needs to get cleaned up, but I can manage it. this Sibelius 4 version engraving was really due for a fresh Sibelius 8.3 engraving :)
> I meant the "newer version" which you mentioned.
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> FAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/sibelius.html > If you want help with a score, attach the sib file!
Sure, here it is. It's a mess right now, I am busy cleaning it up :)
> Where's the one that you couldn't turn into a grand stave? That's the problem that interests me! The version I sent you was a grand stave, yes?
Ah, I see, I don't have it anymore because I created the new version and deleted the old one. Yes, the old had two separate staves as the corrupt version that I send you earlier.