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Looks like Finale is able to directly import off files (according to their advertising). Any plans on Sibelius doing that?

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Re: Finale vs Sibelius
Posted by Peter Roos - 27 May 12:09AM

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You mean, import of XML? Sibelius can do that too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuWyFgodn9c

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Re: Finale vs Sibelius
Posted by James - 27 May 03:51AM

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First of all this is a feature that they are working on for Finale. It's not yet part of the program.

It apparently will import a pdf directly. That is, you will be able to take a photo of existing sheet music, save it as a pdf, and open the pdf in Finale. By opening it, Finale scans/interprets it into a score.

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Re: Finale vs Sibelius
Posted by Bob Morabito - 27 May 06:08AM

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https://www.finalemusic.com/blog/importing-pdf-files-next-version-finale/

Thanks Bob

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Re: Finale vs Sibelius
Posted by Steve - 27 May 06:17AM

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Sounds like a great feature.

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Re: Finale vs Sibelius
Posted by Russell H - 27 May 09:24AM

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NotateMe does this too:

http://www.neuratron.com/notateme.html

R

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Re: Finale vs Sibelius
Posted by Robin Walker - 27 May 09:36AM

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Sibelius users already have this feature available to them through the use of PhotoScore.

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Re: Finale vs Sibelius
Posted by Laurence Payne - 27 May 09:45AM

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Did Finale users not already have access to Photoscore, Lite and Ultimate?

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Re: Finale vs Sibelius
Posted by Laurence Payne - 27 May 10:16AM

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Looking closer, they seem to be making a big fuss about being able to photograph a page rather than using a scanner. Is this new?

Re: Finale vs Sibelius
Posted by Peter Roos - 27 May 04:16PM

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Interesting. I have to say that the quality is pretty impressive ... better than I have seen from Photoscore.

Compare the photo of the iPhone with the processed version in Finale. Looks pretty good, no? All you have to fix is the instrument names, and add a few lyrics.

I wonder though how it will do with multiple voices per staff ... that is the real tricky part.

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Re: Finale vs Sibelius
Posted by Ralph L. Bowers Jr. - 27 May 05:15PM

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> Interesting. I have to say that the quality is pretty impressive ... better than I have seen from Photoscore.
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> Compare the photo of the iPhone with the processed version in Finale. Looks pretty good, no? All you have to fix is the instrument names, and add a few lyrics.
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> I wonder though how it will do with multiple voices per staff ... that is the real tricky part.
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> www.summeroflovemusic.com
> IMDb: www.imdb.com/name/nm2039241

I'm still skeptical of these claims. I am familiar with both Smart Score Pro X, and X2 and PhotoScore 6,7,and 8 Ultimate. While the newest SmartScore X2 pro is good, PhotoScore 7 is still the best in my opinion.

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Re: Finale vs Sibelius
Posted by Laurence Payne - 27 May 05:34PM

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> Interesting. I have to say that the quality is pretty impressive ... better than I have seen from Photoscore.
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I wouldn't rely too much on a demo. After all, Neuratron seem to be able to make Audioscore work. Just not while anyone's watching. Sort of musical homeopathy.

Re: Finale vs Sibelius
Posted by Rob Tuley - 28 May 09:59PM (edited 28 May 10:00PM)

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> Looking closer, they seem to be making a big fuss about being able to photograph a page rather than using a scanner. Is this new?

An image is an image, however you create it. The hard part with photographing sheets of paper rather than scanning them is to make sure the camera is square-on to the paper, and a zoom lens on the camera can introduce fish-eye distortion if you don't have the camera the correct distance from the paper.

For a one-off demo like the video, you can just practice till you get it right. If you want to photograph a lot of sheets, it would be quicker and more reliable to use a camera tripod and a stand for the paper, which levels the playing field compared with just using a scanner.

I suppose it's possible the scanner software has been modified to automatically detect and correct that type of distortion, but if that was the case they would have probably showed a "distorted" photo to advertise how clever it was.

As a general rule can't deduce much from a pre-recorded software demo, because nobody in their right mind would publish a demo that doesn't work! At best, you can read between the lines and guess what the software can't do. (So I wonder why they cut off that Finale demo half way through the playback - just before a fistful of wrong notes???)

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Re: Finale vs Sibelius
Posted by Laurence Payne - 28 May 10:55PM

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The blogger is rather desperately trying to get mileage out of the method of capturing an image, which doesn't matter much. He's dodged the issue of what happens when an image isn't read 100% correctly, or how it deals with more complex music.

Re: Finale vs Sibelius
Posted by James - 29 May 04:15AM

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Like Dorico, Finale's importation of pdf files is vaporware. It is not released yet. When it's released, it will be possible to see how well it works. Teasing is fun... if there is a payoff.

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Finale vs Sibelius - Peter Jacobs, 26 May 11:00PM

Re: Finale vs Sibelius - Peter Roos, 27 May 12:09AM

Re: Finale vs Sibelius - James, 27 May 03:51AM

Re: Finale vs Sibelius - Bob Morabito, 27 May 06:08AM

Re: Finale vs Sibelius - Steve, 27 May 06:17AM

Re: Finale vs Sibelius - Russell H, 27 May 09:24AM

Re: Finale vs Sibelius - Robin Walker, 27 May 09:36AM

Re: Finale vs Sibelius - Laurence Payne, 27 May 09:45AM

Re: Finale vs Sibelius - Laurence Payne, 27 May 10:16AM

Re: Finale vs Sibelius - Peter Roos, 27 May 04:16PM

Re: Finale vs Sibelius - Ralph L. Bowers Jr., 27 May 05:15PM

Re: Finale vs Sibelius - Laurence Payne, 27 May 05:34PM

Re: Finale vs Sibelius - Rob Tuley, 28 May 09:59PM

Re: Finale vs Sibelius - Laurence Payne, 28 May 10:55PM

Re: Finale vs Sibelius - James, 29 May 04:15AM