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Search Forum and additional info re key signs a... - Mike Lyons, 25 May 09:53AM
     Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Laurence Payne, 25 May 12:44PM
         Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Jeff Hale, 25 May 01:54PM
             Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - James, 25 May 02:54PM
                 Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Robin Walker, 25 May 03:08PM
                     Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Mike Lyons, 25 May 04:20PM
                         Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Laurence Payne, 25 May 05:56PM
                             Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Victor Garcia Pichardo, 25 May 06:54PM
                                 Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Robert Enns, 25 May 07:21PM
                                     Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Peter Roos, 25 May 08:36PM
                                         Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Erik Hagner, 25 May 10:11PM
                                             Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - James, 25 May 11:05PM
                                                 Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Mike Lyons, 26 May 07:08AM
                                                     Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Robert Enns, 26 May 11:39AM

Search Forum and additional info re key signs and barlines crashing
Posted by Mike Lyons - 25 May 09:53AM (edited 25 May 09:58AM)
@Joe, @Sam, @Vee, @whoever

1. The link at the top of the forum page for Search Forum is non-reactive. All the other links work. This is why I have had to start a new thread on this topic because I couldn't find the original.

2. The forum display used to allow you to see all threads 'from the beginning of time'. I liked this because I didn't have to keep updating it every time a 'sleeping' thread moved off the bottom of the list and some of those threads were really useful. Can we please have this facility back?

3. My real question here is adding info to the problme of keysigns and barlines colliding.

This morning I opened a file that had been created in 7.5, with the intention of updating it to 8.3 and doing a bit of erratum correcting. The attached pngs show how the clashes keep happening, even after importing one of the built-in house styles and resetting everything that can be reset. The issue doesn't just affect KSs, there are also cases where there is not enough space between the end of, say, a semiquaver (1/16th) run and the following barline. A minim (1/2) however, doesn't seem to have the same issue!

I think the item at fault is not the KS or the 1/16th, but the Start Repeat barline.

I've also attached the updated sib file. (8.3) and the original 7.5 version.

Hope all this helps.
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Attachments crashing keys-score.png (98K), crashing keys-score2.png (85K), crashing keys-part1.png (42K), crashing keys-part2.png (128K), crashing keys-part3.png (49K), crashing keys-part4.png (66K), March - The Haymakers-Sib7.sib (180K), March - The Haymakers-Sib83.sib (197K)

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Re: Search Forum and additional info re key signs and barlines crashing
Posted by Laurence Payne - 25 May 12:44PM (edited 25 May 12:45PM)
The collisions are a bug in 8.3. Presumably a by-product of the "time signatures before repeat barline" change. It's been reported, and a fix has been promised.

The forum search is indeed very slow today. A 5-day search was OK, a year back or a "beginning of time" is timing out for me.

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Re: Search Forum and additional info re key signs and barlines crashing
Posted by Jeff Hale - 25 May 01:54PM
Search worked fine yesterday. I was looking for a really neat workaround that Jeremy Hughes suggested at least 5 years ago for only showing key signatures at the beginning and not on subsequent lines (i.e., Broadway style). It took about 5 min. for the search to run.

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Re: Search Forum and additional info re key signs and barlines crashing
Posted by James - 25 May 02:54PM
There was an off site search of this forum that I used to use. Someone had worked out an algorithm (using Google?) and kindly offered a search window that used it on their web site. I can't remember the URL now and don't know if it still exists. But it worked better than the search function here in the forum.

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Re: Search Forum and additional info re key signs and barlines crashing
Posted by Robin Walker - 25 May 03:08PM
Just use Google with the extra search term:

site:sibelius.com

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Re: Search Forum and additional info re key signs and barlines crashing
Posted by Mike Lyons - 25 May 04:20PM (edited 25 May 04:22PM)
It's not that it isn't searching, it isn't even click-able. It shows no evidence of being a link at all - nothing in the status bar, no change of pointer etc - unlike ALL the other items on that menu.

@Robin: I did try that (or similar) but I am determined I am not going to use Google for such things anymore. When they pay their full share of tax in this country they can find a place on my machine again. For now, I'll stick with the crappy, but non-Google search engines. (And yes, my next phone is NOT going to be an Android one - but it won't be an Apple one either.)

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Re: Search Forum and additional info re key signs and barlines crashing
Posted by Laurence Payne - 25 May 05:56PM
> It's not that it isn't searching, it isn't even click-able. It shows no evidence of being a link at all - nothing in the status bar, no change of pointer etc - unlike ALL the other items on that menu.

That seems to be just you! Have you tried refreshing your browser's cache?

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Re: Search Forum and additional info re key signs and barlines crashing
Posted by Victor Garcia Pichardo - 25 May 06:54PM

I can click on "Search forum" on my desktop, but the link isn't responding on my iPad.

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Sibelius 8, Mac OS 10.10.5, MacBook Pro 2.5 GHz Intel Core i5, 8 GB RAM

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Re: Search Forum and additional info re key signs and barlines crashing
Posted by Robert Enns - 25 May 07:21PM
Nor on mine.

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Rob
Win 10 64 bit, 3.1 GHz, 8 Gigs RAM
Sibelius 7.5, and Sibelius 8.2
Sibelius Sounds 7.1.2, NotePerformer, GPO4, GPO5 Photoscore 8.0.4

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Re: Search Forum and additional info re key signs and barlines crashing
Posted by Peter Roos - 25 May 08:36PM
Hm ... about the search forum issue, not sure whether it is a mac / OS issue, but it still works for me.

I did a few random searches from the beginning of time, got results in a couple of seconds.

This is on a laptop, Windows 10, 64 bit, Google Chrome.

ps not directly related, but in the category of "forum improvements", I like the new layout, but it would be nice to have the year of a message displayed as well ... I know this has been an issue for at least 10 years and it may not be fixable easily.

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Re: Search Forum and additional info re key signs and barlines crashing
Posted by Erik Hagner - 25 May 10:11PM (edited 25 May 10:14PM)
I posted this years ago. It includes a very efficiant way of making a search on the sibelius site.

And the URL that James mentions is also in the thread ...

http://www.sibelius.com/cgi-bin/helpcenter/chat/chat.pl?com=thread&start=615367&groupid=3&&guest=1


Edit: I see that it is actually you james, who chimed in with the URL in this old thread :-D


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MacBook5,1 - OS X 10.11.4
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Re: Search Forum and additional info re key signs and barlines crashing
Posted by James - 25 May 11:05PM
Yes, Eric,

http://www.musicprep.com/sibelius/

has the search I was referring to and it's nice because it searches a number of places. Your custom search is very cool, too.

Time to bookmark one or both of these. (again)

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Re: Search Forum and additional info re key signs and barlines crashing
Posted by Mike Lyons - 26 May 07:08AM (edited 26 May 07:11AM)
Hi guys. Thanks for the suggestions. The problem persists. I have a feeling it might have something to do with this.

And, indeed it does! However, I am currently finding reading the screen at this lower zoom level quite taxing on the old eyes.

Come on, chaps, something better for the visually impaired and intellectually challenged!

BTW, am I being unreasonable in thinking that this type of thing should not happen on a well-designed web page whatever the zoom?

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Re: Search Forum and additional info re key signs and barlines crashing
Posted by Robert Enns - 26 May 11:39AM
Search Forum used to be selectable on my iPad. Now it isn't. Whatever was done (new branding running into the text?) should be undone or fixed. It's really not acceptable.

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Rob
Win 10 64 bit, 3.1 GHz, 8 Gigs RAM
Sibelius 7.5, and Sibelius 8.2
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Search Forum and additional info re key signs a... - Mike Lyons, 25 May 09:53AM
     Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Laurence Payne, 25 May 12:44PM
         Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Jeff Hale, 25 May 01:54PM
             Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - James, 25 May 02:54PM
                 Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Robin Walker, 25 May 03:08PM
                     Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Mike Lyons, 25 May 04:20PM
                         Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Laurence Payne, 25 May 05:56PM
                             Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Victor Garcia Pichardo, 25 May 06:54PM
                                 Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Robert Enns, 25 May 07:21PM
                                     Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Peter Roos, 25 May 08:36PM
                                         Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Erik Hagner, 25 May 10:11PM
                                             Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - James, 25 May 11:05PM
                                                 Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Mike Lyons, 26 May 07:08AM
                                                     Re: Search Forum and additional info re key sig... - Robert Enns, 26 May 11:39AM