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Version 8.3 - Unhandled error - Program crashes - Tzimm218, 17 May 03:43PM
     Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Robin Walker, 17 May 03:49PM
         Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Joe @ Sibelius, 17 May 04:02PM
             Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Tzimm218, 17 May 07:24PM
                 Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Tzimm218, 17 May 07:32PM
                     Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Robin Walker, 17 May 08:08PM
                         Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Tzimm218, 17 May 08:20PM
                             Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Tzimm218, 17 May 08:31PM
                                 Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Robin Walker, 17 May 08:42PM
                                     Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Tzimm218, 17 May 09:18PM
                                         Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Mike Lyons, 18 May 05:48AM
                                             Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Joe @ Sibelius, 18 May 09:57AM
                                                 Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Bob Zawalich, 19 May 03:20AM
                                                     Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Mike Lyons, 19 May 06:28AM
                                                         Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Joe @ Sibelius, 19 May 09:14AM
                                                             Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Bob Zawalich, 19 May 04:23PM
                                                                 Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Joe @ Sibelius, 19 May 04:57PM
                                                                     Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Bob Zawalich, 19 May 10:03PM

Version 8.3 - Unhandled error - Program crashes
Posted by Tzimm218 - 17 May 03:43PM (edited 17 May 07:35PM)
Creating a single treble-staff measure of non-standard time signature (i.e. 23/8 or just about any other entry (i.e. 14/4 etc.) and then trying to manually insert notes via the keypad - causes an immediate "Unhandled error" and crashes the program.



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Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes
Posted by Robin Walker - 17 May 03:49PM
What version (exactly) of Sibelius are you using?
Which platform: Mac OS, or Windows?

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Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes
Posted by Joe @ Sibelius - 17 May 04:02PM
Hi Tzmm,

I tried it out on my end and couldn't reproduce. Answers to Robin's questions would be helpful.

Joe

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Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes
Posted by Tzimm218 - 17 May 07:24PM
I'm using the newest version 8.3 on Windows 7 (64-bit)
I get a "unhandled error" anytime I try to input (any) note from the keypad (using mouse) onto the staff.
This does NOT, and never did happen in SIbelius 7.5. I have reverted back to 7.5 for the time being.
I'd say, for me, this is a serious issue. I can't seem to figure out what's going on.

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Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes
Posted by Tzimm218 - 17 May 07:32PM
Just to expand.... apparently, I cannot use Sibelius 8.3. Even on an existing piece, anytime I try to put any note on any staff, the program crashes....!!! I'll provide any answer you need, but forgive me for being abrupt - I'm quite upset because its totally unusable.

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Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes
Posted by Robin Walker - 17 May 08:08PM
Please attach screen-shots of the following Sibelius 8.3 dialogue windows:
1. Playback Devices;
2. Audio Engine Options.

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Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes
Posted by Tzimm218 - 17 May 08:20PM
Robin,
I've attached a jpg showing both of these dialog boxes.
As a note, I'm only using the standard General Midi Sounds that MS provides. No other instruments are being used.
-Thanks
Attachment Sib-ScrnPrnts-Tzmm1.jpg (896K)

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Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes
Posted by Tzimm218 - 17 May 08:31PM
Ok.... I think I may have solved the problem: On the Audio Engine dialog I checked the "Use virtual instruments and effects..." tick box.
I then selected MS Sound Mapper MME. After restarting Sibelius, I did not experience the problem. If you can concur that this happens to you as well, then I know this was it. It would, however, be helpful to warn users that an error can occur if certain boxes are left unchecked. Also, the "unhandled error" did not provide any way of finding out more about the error.

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Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes
Posted by Robin Walker - 17 May 08:42PM
I think the issue was that there was no output destination selected for the MIDI sounds. Every a note is entered, Sibelius tries to play the note, so that you hear the pitch. In the absence of any destination, it appears that Sibelius just crashed.

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Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes
Posted by Tzimm218 - 17 May 09:18PM
Thanks for the explanation! I'm all set.

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Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes
Posted by Mike Lyons - 18 May 05:48AM
If you think about it, that makes sense.

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Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes
Posted by Joe @ Sibelius - 18 May 09:57AM
Hi Tzmm,

The bug is: if you uncheck the "Use virtual instruments and effects" checkbox then Sibelius will crash when you attempt any operation that involves playback (inputting notes etc). Actually this bug has been around for a long time, but it seems to have come up a lot recently - funny how these things seem to come in waves!

For now, please just leave that box checked, and you should be fine. In the future we'll provide a proper fix.

Joe

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Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 19 May 03:20AM (edited 19 May 04:12AM)
So is this the cause of all the reports we have been seeing? was it new to 8.3 or do you know when it first appeared?
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Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes
Posted by Mike Lyons - 19 May 06:28AM
I seem to remember something similar happpening in 7.1

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Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes
Posted by Joe @ Sibelius - 19 May 09:14AM
I'm not sure why it's suddenly started being reported more often.

I investigated this today and the bug has been around since at least Sibelius 7.5.

We have a potential fix in house now so we'll include this in our next release.

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Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 19 May 04:23PM
There have been other reports of Unexpected Error crashes that do not involve playback. Are they caused by the same thing? Is the workaround of being sure to set up the "Use virtual instruments and effects" checkbox going to prevent this crash in all the reported cases? Or are these unrelated problems?

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Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes
Posted by Joe @ Sibelius - 19 May 04:57PM
Hi Bob,

Spot on; we don't know whether they're caused by the same thing yet.

In my experience, having "Use virtual instruments and effects" unchecked results in an instant crash, with no message at all.

My suspicion at the moment is that there are at least two problems here. The virtual instruments issue is fixed in house. We fixed at least one Unhandled Error problem in Sib 8.2. We need more information on the other Unhandled errors that users have reported.

Joe
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Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes
Posted by Bob Zawalich - 19 May 10:03PM
Thanks, Joe. Good to know.

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Version 8.3 - Unhandled error - Program crashes - Tzimm218, 17 May 03:43PM
     Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Robin Walker, 17 May 03:49PM
         Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Joe @ Sibelius, 17 May 04:02PM
             Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Tzimm218, 17 May 07:24PM
                 Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Tzimm218, 17 May 07:32PM
                     Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Robin Walker, 17 May 08:08PM
                         Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Tzimm218, 17 May 08:20PM
                             Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Tzimm218, 17 May 08:31PM
                                 Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Robin Walker, 17 May 08:42PM
                                     Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Tzimm218, 17 May 09:18PM
                                         Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Mike Lyons, 18 May 05:48AM
                                             Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Joe @ Sibelius, 18 May 09:57AM
                                                 Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Bob Zawalich, 19 May 03:20AM
                                                     Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Mike Lyons, 19 May 06:28AM
                                                         Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Joe @ Sibelius, 19 May 09:14AM
                                                             Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Bob Zawalich, 19 May 04:23PM
                                                                 Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Joe @ Sibelius, 19 May 04:57PM
                                                                     Re: Unhandled error - Program crashes - Bob Zawalich, 19 May 10:03PM